Notices
Car Chat General discussion about Lexus, other auto manufacturers and automotive news.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Innova

EV Euphoria

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 13, 2024 | 11:02 AM
  #1  
mikemu30's Avatar
mikemu30
Thread Starter
Lexus Test Driver
5 Year Member
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
 
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 9,556
Likes: 3,398
From: NJ
Default EV Euphoria

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/13/ev-e...ice-in-us.html

Reply
Old Mar 13, 2024 | 11:22 AM
  #2  
AMIRZA786's Avatar
AMIRZA786
Lexus Champion
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 19,487
Likes: 3,672
From: California
Default

Looks good to me

  • In 2024, the revenue in the Electric Vehicles market is projected to reach a staggering US$623.3bn worldwide.
  • Looking ahead, it is expected that the market will demonstrate a steady annual growth rate (CAGR 2024-2028) of 9.82%.
  • This growth will ultimately lead to a projected market volume of US$906.7bn by 2028.
  • Moreover, the unit sales of Electric Vehicles market are anticipated to reach 17.07m vehicles units by 2028.
  • When examining the market in 2024, it is predicted that the volume weighted average price of Electric Vehicles market will amount to US$52.9k.
  • From an international perspective, it is evident that in China will generate the highest revenue, with an estimated US$319,000m in 2024.
  • This showcases the significant presence of Electric Vehicles market in the Chinese market segment.
  • Electric vehicle adoption is rapidly increasing worldwide, with countries like Norway leading the way in terms of market share.

https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo...cles/worldwide

Reply
Old Mar 13, 2024 | 11:22 AM
  #3  
Mike728's Avatar
Mike728
Lexus Test Driver
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,449
Likes: 948
From: IL
Default

Is this spam?
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2024 | 11:25 AM
  #4  
AMIRZA786's Avatar
AMIRZA786
Lexus Champion
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 19,487
Likes: 3,672
From: California
Default

Originally Posted by Mike728
Is this spam?
Pretty much. As long as the euphoria lives in me every time I put my foot down, that's all that counts


Last edited by AMIRZA786; Mar 13, 2024 at 11:48 AM.
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2024 | 11:30 AM
  #5  
asj2024's Avatar
asj2024
Advanced
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Feb 2024
Posts: 558
Likes: 130
From: NJ/FL
Default

I still think we will move away from pure ICE in future. The naysayers and luddites will slowly be converted, but whether that will be BEV or something else, who knows.

I did like the way Toyota approached it. Not succumbing to the hype, but as usual being cautious in its approach and diversifying its strategies.

Yeah, I know, I'm a Toyota fanboy, but guess what, we're in a Lexus forum

The widespread shift in sentiment brings more automakers closer to the ethos of Toyota. Led by Chairman and former CEO Akio Toyoda, the world’s top-selling automaker has argued for years that a diversified lineup was the right strategy to meet all customer needs and reach its goal of being carbon-neutral by 2050.

The Japanese automaker is now expected to reap the benefits of its strategy, which includes hybrids, plug-in hybrids, EVs and hydrogen fuel cells.

“Toyota is almost completely absent from the [battery electric vehicle] market yet will gain more U.S. market share than any other car company this year. Let that sink in,” Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas wrote in an investor note last week. “EVs may be ‘the future’ but are struggling in the present. Hybrid sales are growing 5x faster than EVs in the US.”
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2024 | 12:49 PM
  #6  
LeX2K's Avatar
LeX2K
Lexus Fanatic
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 25,917
Likes: 4,274
From: Alberta
Default

Originally Posted by asj2024
“Toyota is almost completely absent from the [battery electric vehicle] market yet will gain more U.S. market share than any other car company this year. Let that sink in,” Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas wrote in an investor note last week. “EVs may be ‘the future’ but are struggling in the present.Hybrid sales are growing 5x faster than EVs in the US.”
This is a lie wrapped in another lie.



Reply
Old Mar 13, 2024 | 12:55 PM
  #7  
AMIRZA786's Avatar
AMIRZA786
Lexus Champion
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 19,487
Likes: 3,672
From: California
Default

Originally Posted by LeX2K
This is a lie wrapped in another lie.
It's called an Oxymoron. Toyota is apparently very good at them
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2024 | 01:03 PM
  #8  
asj2024's Avatar
asj2024
Advanced
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Feb 2024
Posts: 558
Likes: 130
From: NJ/FL
Default

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
It's called an Oxymoron. Toyota is apparently very good at them
That was a Morgan Stanley analyst saying that, not Toyota. He's head of their global auto research division. You guys are taking fanboyism to an extreme
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2024 | 01:07 PM
  #9  
AMIRZA786's Avatar
AMIRZA786
Lexus Champion
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 19,487
Likes: 3,672
From: California
Default

Originally Posted by asj2024
That was a Morgan Stanley analyst saying that, not Toyota. He's head of their global auto research division. You guys are taking fanboyism to an extreme
Responding with insults personal attacks and labelling is definitely a sign one's arguments are not going well 🤣

You forgot Elon worshipper.....

Last edited by AMIRZA786; Mar 13, 2024 at 01:10 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2024 | 01:12 PM
  #10  
asj2024's Avatar
asj2024
Advanced
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Feb 2024
Posts: 558
Likes: 130
From: NJ/FL
Default

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Responding with insults personal attacks and labelling is definitely a sign one's arguments are not going well 🤣

You forgot Elon worshipper.....
My "argument" is that the statement was made by a Morgan Stanley Analyst, NOT Toyota, as you seem to believe. Maybe you should address that.
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2024 | 01:13 PM
  #11  
AMIRZA786's Avatar
AMIRZA786
Lexus Champion
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 19,487
Likes: 3,672
From: California
Default

Originally Posted by asj2024
My "argument" is that the statement was made by a Morgan Stanley Analyst, NOT Toyota, as you seem to believe. Maybe you should address that.
I'm really not interested in discussing anything with you. No offense intended
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2024 | 01:16 PM
  #12  
asj2024's Avatar
asj2024
Advanced
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Feb 2024
Posts: 558
Likes: 130
From: NJ/FL
Default

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I'm really not interested in discussing anything with you. No offense intended
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2024 | 01:19 PM
  #13  
LeX2K's Avatar
LeX2K
Lexus Fanatic
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 25,917
Likes: 4,274
From: Alberta
Default

Originally Posted by asj2024
That was a Morgan Stanley analyst saying that, not Toyota. He's head of their global auto research division. You guys are taking fanboyism to an extreme
Extreme fanboyism is saying hybrids are growing quickly and purposely leaving out the most important detail; they are replacing gas only versions. This means it costs Toyota more to produce the same number of vehicles.

Here is the reality of your beloved Toyota, they are anti EV and anti environment in general see for yourself
https://lobbymap.org/company/Toyota-...Climate-Change
Only companies that lobby harder to keep using oil are oil companies.
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2024 | 08:41 PM
  #14  
bitkahuna's Avatar
bitkahuna
CL Community Team
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 80,472
Likes: 3,829
Default

Originally Posted by asj2024
I still think we will move away from pure ICE in future. The naysayers and luddites will slowly be converted, but whether that will be BEV or something else, who knows.
meanwhile bev sales continue to increase.

I did like the way Toyota approached it. Not succumbing to the hype, but as usual being cautious in its approach and diversifying its strategies.
toyota is not a cautious company. your prius is proof positive of that, they disrupted the market. what toyota does do besides making new car segments is aggressive attack and defend market segments they're in (smart), including massive the current ev FUD campaign. bottom line is it costs toyota/lexus more to make hybrids and phev's than ice vehicles so it's not great for them but they're in a trap. ev's WILL undercut their pricing (already is in many head to head comparisons). and if the chinese ever bring decent cheap ev's to the u.s., toyota will be in even bigger trouble, but right now they're riding the way of loyalty and FUD they're spinning.

reach its goal of being carbon-neutral by 2050.
younger buyers may not tolerate it taking toyota that long.

“Toyota is almost completely absent from the [battery electric vehicle] market yet will gain more U.S. market share than any other car company this year.
it will likely gain share because other traditional brands are weak in hybrid and/or ev's.

“EVs may be ‘the future’ but are struggling in the present. Hybrid sales are growing 5x faster than EVs in the US.”
not sure on the 5x, but as stated above, hybrids are in demand over ice and replacing old ice.
Reply




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:54 PM.