The dealer should honor the price they quoted. Do you not agree? What's funny, I just looked and see that the vehicle is still on their lot, 3 months later. Idiots!

The tax savings on our trade would have been around $1,400. Since we got $2,500 more for it with KBB, it made sense to sell it through them.

 

Halloween mode recently went live for Rivians. My kids love the green lights and random images on the gauges

 

Lots of reasons why you really can't compare the Tesla online buying experience to the traditional dealer model, but one of the bigger contributors to that is the lack of the traditional F&I pressure cooker at the end of the process. Can't tell you how many times I've negotiated a deal only to find that it's not been accurately reflected in the paperwork because there were "errors" when it was presented for review. Curiously, these "errors" generally seem to be in the dealership's favor. These errors are, of course, deliberately hidden in plain sight. If you walk through the paperwork meticulously enough you will find where the contracts don't reflect the agreed terms, but the F&I manager is relying on you missing the deviations because you've already sat through a significantly but artificially extended buying process and myriad forms and agreements are getting pushed to you for rapid fire "review" before signature. This is essentially the specific experience that @AMIRZA786 was describing.

 

Isn't that the truth LOL....

 

Again ​​​​​​@swajames you've stated the issue meticulously. Just think about this...you are negotiating on a product (an automobile in this case) that's been artificially inflated in price by the a third party, namely the dealership. If the automaker sales it for X price, the dealership sales it for XX and you are negotiating to get it closer to to X. Really?? It reminds me of people who bought up products like Nvidia GPU's for $200 and resold them from $1000.

Also as you stated, you can spend months negotiating a deal with a dealership, and when you arrive they tell you there was a mistake, or the car is suddenly gone. Many times the mistake isn't caught (if it's caught at all). Sure, what you see on the Window sticker is what you get, but what if you negotiated on the sticker, it's suddenly "gone" and now you get a new Window sticker for a car with different options than you wanted? To be fair, not all dealerships are crooked, but most I've dealt with have been, and I've had to spend hours trying to get the right price I want, or at least close to it.

I would rather pick up my computer or my smart phone from my home or office, go to the automakers website, pick what want, the color, accessories etc, put a deposit down and wait for it to be delivered. I did this leasing my Polestar, and I did this buying my Tesla, and this is how I want to buy my cars

 

My first experience with MB was the fastest contract-signing experience I've encountered. Maybe I was special, but the F&I guy literally pulled a, "Here is a document basically stating I showed you the products we offer," as if he had ESP and knew that I was going to tell him no to everything. I've had BMs that have lasted longer than the paperwork process at MB. Not that it should matter, but I also was doing a One-Pay and already knew exactly what I was paying since I was writing one check for the duration of my lease. It didn't matter how they allocated their numbers or what creative maneuvering they did; they didn't, but when you get the price and deal you want and are prepared and knowledgeable, it's harder for them to get away with pulling that crap. If they or any dealer tried that with me, I'd stand up and walk out right in the middle of the signing. Luckily, I have great relationships with certain brands and dealers, and I don't have to have that anxiety, but I know I'm lucky because it wasn't always like that. I always hated the overly long dealership process of a few hours to get everything done in my younger years. I don't have the patience for that SH^^ anymore.

 

It must be awesome not to have to make a Lease payment! When I bought my Model Y, I put 30 percent down (to save on interest, which was 5.49 percent at the time), than when some of my TSLA holdings hit $255 a month later, I paid off my Y with Elon money

Right now I have two leases: 2022 Polestar 2 @ $520 a month and a 2023 Ioniq 5 SEL AWD @ $351 a month. I put down $4500 for the Polestar and $3K for the Ioniq 5

 

I never trade in my cars at dealerships either, as in my experience, they almost never offer as much as third-party companies like Carmax and Carvana. I don't even mention that I plan to sell my car elsewhere when I'm picking up a new one from a dealership. However, on the day I was headed to a dealership two hours away, I mentioned that I needed to be finished by a certain time so that I could sell my car to a 3rd party. Carmax had offered me $40,000 for my 22 ES 350 Ultra Luxury. After I mentioned this without telling them what 3rd party, the dealership asked me if I wanted to see what they could offer so that I wouldn't have to worry about driving two cars back. Since I only work with GMs or GSMs, I agreed. A few minutes later, they sent me an email with a quote of $40,000, the exact amount of my current Carmax offer. I had not previously disclosed the amount of my Carmax offer, but they did know that I had a confirmed offer. I told them that their offer was the same as my other confirmed offer, and they immediately offered me $200 more. This saved me the hassle of having to find someone to go with me and drive the car back. It was a win-win situation for both of us. Dealers may not go out of their way to give away or lose money, but in certain circumstances, they can make business decisions that could benefit both parties. In my case, the dealer was close to losing money, if not actually losing money, on my deal. However, they may have still made money on the backend through end-of-the-month bonuses or similar incentives.

 

If you're interested in leasing a Lexus or MB, let me know. I can likely get you a great deal and depending on your location, get it delivered.

 

Thanks, I appreciate it. My Polestar lease isn't done until Jan 2025 and my Ioniq 5 until July 2025. No car purchases until than

 

Usually, I sell my vehicles within two to three years to cash in on equity or to align with another better deal. Due to inventory issues caused by Covid, I have been able to make a lot of money.

 

I like to keep my cars at least 10 years before moving on. The exception has been the recent leases I've done because they are EV's, and EV's are still evolving. The exception I make is Tesla, I plan to hold on to my Y for at least 100K

 

Well if you could sell the dealer that price, wouldn't you get another 1400ish on top of your 2500? They have either matched or matched with tax credit. So at least it saved me the hassle to go somewhere else to sell the car. I don't think that is possible with tesla at all. But I agree tesla buying model is convenient. It's just not when a trade in is involved.

On another note, has this land cruiser news been posted?

 

I was loading some boxes into the cargo area of my EQS sedan when I realized that there was no protective all-weather liner like the ones in the main passenger area in the cabin. I didn't notice it when I picked up the car, so I thought it might have been forgotten. When I reached out to Mercedes-Benz to inquire about the missing liner, they informed me that they don't manufacture all-weather cargo liners for the EQS. This surprised me because all the cars I've had with all-weather mats also had all-weather trunk liners. They explained that this is similar to some SUVs where fold-down seats are present, and they also don't have all-weather liners. The representative gave the example of the EQB. Therefore, I am now searching for an alternative to protect the carpeted area in my EQS's cargo area. This information was provided to me by the parts department advisor.

 

I bought a Tesla, so there's no negotiating on the trade. If you're referring to the Hyundai I was looking at, I should have been able to get them to match the KBB offer. However, I wasn't giving them my business after them being dishonest with me on the sales price. Buying the Y was still a far better bargain, even if I accepted their low trade offer.