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Old Aug 21, 2023 | 09:27 PM
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It looks like she purposely drove into the wall to kill the person.

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Theres a reason why life imprisonment is reserved for generally first degree murders. This is not a first degree murder, and getting parole would be extremely hard.
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Old Aug 22, 2023 | 01:34 AM
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This is not a first degree murder
Um.....

The July 31, 2022, crash that left Dominic Russo, 20, and Davion Flanagan, 19, dead came weeks after Russo’s girlfriend, Mackenzie Shirilla, threatened to crash her car with Russo in it

Prosecutors said one of their strongest pieces of evidence was a brief video from a city-owned security camera showing Shirilla using her turn signal and slowly turning her car from Pearl Road onto Alameda Drive slowly and using her blinker.

“It’s as if she was winding up when she drove from Pearl onto Progress,” Troup said.

Troup also said that crash investigators examined the car’s computer system, and it showed the pedal was pushed to the floor in the four seconds before the crash, and the brake was never pushed.

He said during close arguments that there was “no reason” for Shirilla to be driving in the business park at 5:30 a.m. to begin with.
Evidence from her cellphone showed Shirilla drove near the business park a few days before the crash.
Sounds pretty premeditated to me. I've also never heard of a 2nd/3rd/manslaughter charge carrying a mandatory life sentence, as 2 of her 4 murder charges did--but to be fair I'm not clear how she was convicted of 4 murder charges for killing 2 people. The judge allowed them to be served concurrently, which is why the minimum time for parole is 15 years and not 30.
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Old Aug 22, 2023 | 06:49 AM
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Yes, Geko is correct. This was either premeditated First-Degree Murder, or, if not, right on the borderline. She apparantly planned it for some time...it was not a simple reaction to a sudden event.

But, IMO, although I am not a psychiatrist, she appears to me to be either mentally ill or, if not, a darn good actress.....certainly a better one than Amber Heard LOL. That should also be taken into account with her sentence.

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Old Aug 22, 2023 | 07:18 AM
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Yes, Geko is correct. This was either premeditated First-Degree Murder, or, if not, right on the borderline. She apparantly planned it for some time...it was not a simple reaction to a sudden event.

But, IMO, although I am not a psychiatrist, she appears to me to be either mentally ill or, if not, a darn good actress.....certainly a better one than Amber Heard LOL. That should also be taken into account with her sentence.
I don't believe she was convicted of first degree murder. I don't think they can prove she planned it, and I think her likely mental illness or impairment was taken into account and thats why she was given a sentence with the possibility of parole. The judge could have sentenced her to serve consecutive sentences not concurrent sentences which would have kept her in jail for 30 years before the possibility of parole but she chose to sentence her concurrently which shows mercy.
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Old Aug 22, 2023 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I don't believe she was convicted of first degree murder. I don't think they can prove she planned it, and I think her likely mental illness or impairment was taken into account and thats why she was given a sentence with the possibility of parole. The judge could have sentenced her to serve consecutive sentences not concurrent sentences which would have kept her in jail for 30 years before the possibility of parole but she chose to sentence her concurrently which shows mercy.
Oh I agree there was mercy involved and she had the discretion to make them consecutive or concurrent. And I can't find any article that explicitly list the charges--they all just say 4 counts each of murder, felonious assault, and attempted vehicular manslaughter. But several of them mention that two of the murder charges carry mandatory life sentences in Ohio (obviously with opportunity for parole). That seems unusually high for a mandatory sentence in a 2nd degree or manslaughter charge.

Spent some time reading the Ohio Criminal Code, and it appears those are in fact the exact names of the charges. Ohio has three "standard" murder charges:

Murder - 1st degree felony (this is what she was charged with)
Voluntary Manslaughter - 1st degree felony (some states would call this 2nd degree murder)
Involuntary Manslaughter - 3rd degree felony, unless it occurred during the commission of a 1st or 2nd degree felony, then 1st degree (felony murder rule)

There are of course aggravated versions, but those aren't at play here.
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So doesnt sound like in Ohio they classify different degrees of murder?
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Old Aug 22, 2023 | 09:51 AM
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Geko also brings up an interesting question: .......why four murder charges and only two dead bodies?
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Old Aug 22, 2023 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Theres a reason why life imprisonment is reserved for generally first degree murders. This is not a first degree murder, and getting parole would be extremely hard.
She got a life sentence.

But as others have said, she did get some mercy, even though they'll never let her out in 15 years on parole.

She doesn't deserve ****. Anyone who feels sorry for her, talk to the parents of the kids she killed.
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Old Aug 22, 2023 | 11:01 AM
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I'm sad for everyone involved.

Did she ever say why she did it?
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Old Aug 22, 2023 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
She got a life sentence.

But as others have said, she did get some mercy, even though they'll never let her out in 15 years on parole.

She doesn't deserve ****. Anyone who feels sorry for her, talk to the parents of the kids she killed.
What I meant was a true life sentence without the possibility of parole.

There is always room for mercy. Mental health struggles are real and they make people do insane things. Nobody in their right mind would drive themselves and other people into a wall of a building, she clearly has mental health issues.
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Old Aug 22, 2023 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
What I meant was a true life sentence without the possibility of parole.

There is always room for mercy. Mental health struggles are real and they make people do insane things. Nobody in their right mind would drive themselves and other people into a wall of a building, she clearly has mental health issues.
Gotcha. I sympathize with those with mental illness, truly. But still, there are parents now childless. Nobody in their right minds would do lots of stuff that happens in this world.

I'm not a parent and never will be but I couldn't imagine the pain of losing a child and them dying before me.

I was telling my parents to cut the cord immediately if something ever happens to me and is hopeless, and they looked at me blank and said "well I'm going to die before you...." Spouse and I have all that set up, but still.
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Old Aug 22, 2023 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
What I meant was a true life sentence without the possibility of parole.
That was never an option. The longest time-to-parole-eligibility that Ohio allows for a minor (at the time of the crime) convicted of 2 or more counts of non-aggravated murder where they were the principal offender, and sentences are run consecutively, is 30 years.
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Old Aug 23, 2023 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by geko29
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Sounds pretty premeditated to me. I've also never heard of a 2nd/3rd/manslaughter charge carrying a mandatory life sentence, as 2 of her 4 murder charges did--but to be fair I'm not clear how she was convicted of 4 murder charges for killing 2 people. The judge allowed them to be served concurrently, which is why the minimum time for parole is 15 years and not 30.
That's great that it "sounds" premeditated to you. What was she actually convicted of, because that is the only thing that counts.
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Old Aug 23, 2023 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
That's great that it "sounds" premeditated to you. What was she actually convicted of, because that is the only thing that counts.
Yeah maybe so but we can speculate. Lol

What ya'll think, premedated or not?
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Old Aug 23, 2023 | 08:01 PM
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I think she’s got some mental health issues and probably obsessed about doing something like this for a while.

I sat with a cousin who had just tried to kill himself. 2 hours later he couldn’t believe what he had done and didn’t have any idea why he had done it. “I love myself, why would I do anything like this” he said. Mental health struggles make people do crazy things.
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