That's just not true.

No, it didn't have the friskiness of a 7 series but it wasn't a Cadillac Fleetwood either.

LS400 introduced features that were never seen before or copied.... Gauges, motorized seatbelt adjusters, an antenna that self adjusted for best reception (!!!). It probably was the most refined car on the road upon introduction, literally. W126 was well over a decade old. 7 series had no V8, and they probably developed theirs because of the LS400.

Cadillac bought one and tore it apart and admitted flat out GM had nowhere near the tech to build a car like the LS.

 

No, it's not the "base MSRP" it's the MSRP of the model, as built. The tax breaks are not up on the Gov't website (IRS) but they will be up soon. This is what all the dealers are telling me. Given it being an election year, I would expect them to be generous...

I am also disappointed that it's not an option. I almost never use the sunroof, but on cloudy days, mornings, evenings, we open it up to the glass to let more light in and it makes a big difference (on the RX) so I would assume it would totally lighten up the cabin in the much bigger TX. Having said that... as situman indicated, there are arguments (headroom and noise insulation) to be made for no pano roof too...

 

No sunroof= deal breaker

 

Is that a change for 2024?

it should definitely be an option...its an option on the regular models just not the PHEV. Definitely opens up the interior:

 

Interesting how the term sunroof went from being literally what it is, a roof over the car to something that lets light through.

 

Lexus' forced options continue to annoy. I'll always be slightly bitter/annoyed that my GS F-Sport couldn't have fogs because AWD + F-Sport + Fogs wasn't a package they were willing to bring to the Northeast

 

Mercedes has started to do the same thing, it really frustrates people

 

If you are correct about the MSRP as delivered, then there is no room for heads up display to keep it under 80k. I wonder if that option can be installed after delivery.

 

It is, I just looked it up a bit ago. In 2023, a model/trim was either eligible for the credit or it wasn't. Individual options didn't matter. Starting this year, eligibility is on a per-VIN basis, and the price component of it is based on the MSRP of the base trim plus any options that are physically installed on it at delivery.

So they absolutely could have a panoramic roof as an option, but it might wind up being a $10k option if it adds $2500 to the build and eliminates the $7500 rebate.

 

Were you trying to Jedi mind trick me? lol. Good thing I got a thick skull. I dont know dude. You are like all over the place. From this vehicle is fine for what it is to mediocre to not bad to wanting this to be a GLS competitor to it competes with Hyundai...lol. I can't keep up!

 

Yes it is. It got to the point where if a package has the 2 things I wanted out of the 10 listed, I'm "happy"?

 

The pano roof definitely opens up what is an otherwise dark, dreary and cramped looking interior. Looking at this pic, it reminded me of the two things I wish it did differently was to make it just a couple of inches wider so my fat-azz can fit through the middle row with car seats in place and easier access to the 3rd row with said car seats installed. It would have saved me from the Sienna.

 

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that change

No, you just are arguing with me without understanding what it is I am saying. I've said it over and over and over again as I showed you, you need to actually read what I'm saying before you argue with me about it.

My issues with the TX are purely the material quality and luxuriousness of the vehicle, not the platform. I have never said it should be a GLS or X7 competitor, you have repeatedly said thats what I want but that doesn't make that the case. I said Lexus should have a GLS/X7 competitor, not that the TX should be that. How much clearer can I be?

God gave you two eyes and two ears and one mouth...use them in that proportion

 

This is the article:
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars...s-a7820795671/

Apparently it's all about the battery... a certain % of the battery's components have to be produced or assembled in North America (first $3,750 credit) and "a portion of the critical minerals used in the battery must be extracted or processed in the U.S. or in a country that is a U.S. free-trade agreement partner, or they must have been made from materials recycled in North America" for the second $3,750 credit.

I have a feeling that none of the Lexus cars will qualify, which would make this point moot and I would go back to the premise that they're saving this "goodie" for the 25 or 26 models in order to peddle it as yet more improvements, like they did with the NX... all the PHEVs (until the TX) have been assembled in Japan (presumably with Japanese-sourced batteries), and I'm guessing that the only US plant that is building PHEV's (TX) is using those same batteries (that don't qualify). I believe the Alabama Mercedes and Spartanburg BMW PHEV cars will have the same issue, even though all those vehicles are assembled entirely in the U.S. and have lots of North American parts. Even GM has lost deductibility for the Lyriq and Blazer, and Ford for the Mach-E which is going to be a major disaster for them, as they've already lost over $2 billion on EVs and they have tens of thousands of Mach-E vehicles sitting on dealers' lots... if anyone's interested in a cheap EV or in the market for a high-end golf cart, this may be your chance...

 

Why would they hold the sunroof for 25 or 26 in the PHEV and have it available in all the other models?