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I use the ESP X3 oil in my Audis, Moble1 in the Lexus cars, and extended performance high mileage in the Jeep since they are optimized for different usages for the same price so why not?
Gas engines on "Parallel" hybrids (where the gas/electric engines power the vehicle separately) usually don't run as much as on conventional vehicles, as the gas engine is used only for recharging the hybrid battery. Older Hondas and a few other hybrids have a "Series" hybrid system, the IMA, where the electric motor is mainly just an on-demand booster and initial start-up for the gas engine, and is off much of the time. On Plug-in Hybrids (which are all parallel), the electric motor has a much longer stand-alone range before recharging is needed. So, with most oil today's hybrids, the gas engine doesn't really run all that much, so it doesn't fully-warm-up as much, which can be hard on it as the seals/gaskets don't get regular lubrication, the moving parts can lose their thin protective coat of oil-film, and the engine's innards can deteriorate more rapidly. I'm going to presume that this special so-called "Hybrid" oil is designed to minimize the amount of gas-engine deterioration from not being run or warmed up regularly, although, as I understand it, the vehicle's designers and engineers are supposed to take that into consideration and program the gas engine to run a certain minimum amount, regularly, whether the battery needs recharging for not.
If you look closely at the bottle, you will see that it says "Protects for 15,000 miles...guaranteed". I would take that with a grain of salt.....a BIG grain of salt. And, remember, on most hybrids, for the reasons I explained above, 15,000 miles on the gas engine is not the same as 15,000 miles on the electric motor...so it is difficult to determine what that 15K miles really means, although most likely 15,000 miles on the odometer.
Last edited by mmarshall; May 4, 2023 at 03:17 PM.
If you look closely at the bottle, you will see that it says "Protects for 15,000 miles...guaranteed". I would take that with a grain of salt.....a BIG grain of salt. And, remember, on most hybrids, for the reasons I explained above, 15,000 miles on the gas engine is not the same as 15,000 miles on the electric motor...so it is difficult to determine what that 15K miles really means, although most likely 15,000 miles on the odometer.
That what I'm basically trying to say.
Like Stricker was saying above, the formulas are different so I can appreciate that but then go tell people on the label they're good for 15lK miles???
They just killed any benefit to having a special formula. IMO
What in the heck is up with that. lol
Like it or not, its a point of comparison for oil buyers.
If you look at people who do push their oil changes on forums like Bob is the Oil Guy and do testing, really with these modern oils there is no reason to change the oil earlier than 10k miles, and 15-20k even they are still getting good oil analysis numbers. I change my oil at 10k miles per MB specs and it doesn't concern me at all.
If you look closely at the bottle, you will see that it says "Protects for 15,000 miles...guaranteed". I would take that with a grain of salt.....a BIG grain of salt. And, remember, on most hybrids, for the reasons I explained above, 15,000 miles on the gas engine is not the same as 15,000 miles on the electric motor...so it is difficult to determine what that 15K miles really means, although most likely 15,000 miles on the odometer.
Just unscrew the lid and empty the salt shaker at that point!
If you look at people who do push their oil changes on forums like Bob is the Oil Guy and do testing, really with these modern oils there is no reason to change the oil earlier than 10k miles, and 15-20k even they are still getting good oil analysis numbers. I change my oil at 10k miles per MB specs and it doesn't concern me at all.
Some of it, at least, depends on how the manufacturers set their oil-life computers (if applicable). GM seems to vary quite a bit on how they set their computers for turbo vs. non-turbo gas engines. On my Verano's non-turbo 4 and the Lacrosse's non-turbo V6, the computer, with the same general type of driving, would drop the remaining oil-life (in percentage) very slowly. With the small turbo-three in the Encore GX, a lot faster. For example, in my GX, the last oil change was 3800 miles ago...the computer is already down to 38% oil life remaining. Time can make a difference, too. If you don't drive a lot of miles with time, then the oil generally deteriorates faster.
This makes sense, to some extent, as turbos create a lot of heat/pressure, tend to wear out faster than the engines themselves, and need fresh, high-quality oil as much as possible. But, in my case, I'm usually an easy driver, not asking very much from the engine or turbo in daily use or putting a lot of stress on it.
Last edited by mmarshall; May 4, 2023 at 05:25 PM.
I don’t see what the big deal is. Good there is a new hybrid oil Sounds like oil change intervals are gonna get longer
The point, Jill, is that, no matter what kind of propaganda may be printed on the bottle, the engineers, and the people who actually design the vehicle, deternine what the best oil-change intervals are, either by the specific time/mileage recommendations in the Owners' Manual, or by how the engine's oil-use computer is programmed. Flaunt or ignore either of them, and warranty-coverage could be affected.
Most cars don’t have predictive oil change computers, the Pacifica does, but my Mercedes doesn’t not did all my Lexus cars. You just change the oil at a specific time or mileage.
With my CT200h, my previous 2016 and my current 2017 that I have had for about a year and a half, I have been using Mobil 1 0W20 Extended Performance for the most part with a Purolator Boss filter. I had started off with my 2016 with the Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy. I have also read the BITOG (Bob Is The Oil Guy) forums religiously ever since I lived in Mexico with the RX300. Although my 2017 CT contains the best engine hardware (basically 2015-2017 CTs) that was available on CT200hs sold in the United States (they continued overseas), I drain the 0W20 EP at 10K. I can get the filter for about $15 on Amazon and a 5 quart jug of the oil at WalMart for about $25. I will get to why I do the drain at 10K on a supposed 20K fill oil in a second.
The way I understand this 'Hybrid Oil' is that it is halfway between the AFE (Advanced Fuel Economy) and the EP (Extended Performance) that I use now. I am aware there have been from my own research head gasket issues on earlier CTs and not really so much on later models. What causes this...I have seen everything mentioned from owner neglect (IMHO biggest issue), EGR design, not changing coolant often enough, using bad gas (CT is designed for 87 octane) but additives in certain gasolines make ones better than others.
I have been much more proactive in many areas as a result simply because I like the vehicle, but have not faced any real issues especially after I did more research understanding how these vehicles are designed and work.
Because I am now doing way more highway miles now than city, the engine part of my hybrid gets more use, thus the oil is going to get more use. So that I may get the best protection possible and not worry about issues down the road, I use the EP and drain at 10K (Lexus specifies 10K changes). That is me being proactive. I do feel I probably lose a few MPG in the process, notice it running at about 40 on highway instead of closer to 43, but want to protect the vehicle more than save a bit on gas and not run into any issue down the road. I recently changed out coolant (both engine and hybrid one), changed plugs, changed brakes and flushed brake fluid, flushed the ATF along with new tires. The fluids were changed about 10-15K before I estimated they should be changed next.
We will see how this goes.
As far as the 'Hybrid Oil', I probably want to see a lot more analyses down before I might consider it to see how it compares with the EP, which has very good oil analyses from what I have seen.
my view is if you change the oil/filter at manufacture specified intervals and viscosity, the car will do fine. all these 'flavors' of oils may have some minuscule benefit, but i knew someone who was a lead on the team that developed mobil-1 and even he said for normal car use it's overkill. for tractor trailers, race cars, etc., good stuff.
Now there is an engine oil just for hybrids
