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Old Mar 20, 2023 | 01:02 PM
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Maybe you should look before commenting blindly.
That is uncalled for.

This vehicle is beyond ugly. Miss the smaller kidney grille and the halo lights. Those are the biggest problems with this. Well beyond the 200k price tag. I get it's a hybrid TTV8 but still.
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Old Mar 20, 2023 | 01:08 PM
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The grille and lights are the least of this things problems lol
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Old Mar 20, 2023 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
But BMW typically is able to make great riding vehicles that also handle great, the issues with the suspension in this surprise me. Maybe because its not an air suspension
At this price point--$15k more than the next-most-expensive vehicle in the lineup, and $40k more than something like a 7-series--they clearly could have put in an air suspension if they wanted to. It's not there because they decided against it. Remember this is the first dedicated M model (with no "normal" equivalent) since the M1 supercar. So they designed the suspension for handling first, everything else second.

That of course, raises the question of who, exactly is the target market that wants to hustle a 6,000 lb behemoth through the twisties. But I think they achieved their goal with the suspension. I don't agree with the goal, but it seems they did hit it.
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Old Mar 20, 2023 | 01:17 PM
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This is for the Chinese market first and foremost just like the i7, as far as performance goes just like the rest of their lineup it is secondary to being flashy. If they really cared it would have had a fully active suspension as well as being lighter.
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Old Mar 20, 2023 | 01:19 PM
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an M super heavy phev suv does seem kinda silly. i guess they're trying to steal some of the pie from the gls63, lambo urus, and cayenne turbo market...
those others to me are a million times better looking than this mad max monstrosity.
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Old Mar 20, 2023 | 07:45 PM
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I see comments about this being designed for the Chinese market, I doubt it as it's a twin turbo V8 which would be taxed out the wazzoo in China, even if it is a hybrid. It seems more like BMW wants to mimic the Urus but took all the wrong lessons from it, instead making it more obnoxious.

BMW has difficulties selling with their recent ultra-luxury products. The current 8 Series was essentially a flop and while I think this will do better on the basis of being an SUV, I don't see it bringing in more audiences than an X7.
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Old Mar 20, 2023 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Motorola
I see comments about this being designed for the Chinese market, I doubt it as it's a twin turbo V8 which would be taxed out the wazzoo in China, even if it is a hybrid. It seems more like BMW wants to mimic the Urus but took all the wrong lessons from it, instead making it more obnoxious.

BMW has difficulties selling with their recent ultra-luxury products. The current 8 Series was essentially a flop and while I think this will do better on the basis of being an SUV, I don't see it bringing in more audiences than an X7.
I think you misunderstand, the fact it is going to be taxed a lot is a PLUS since it allows owners to better "flex on the poors" that high running cost adds to the exclusivity
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Old Mar 20, 2023 | 08:29 PM
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I think you misunderstand, the fact it is going to be taxed a lot is a PLUS since it allows owners to better "flex on the poors" that high running cost adds to the exclusivity
You don't understand the Chinese market. The Chinese consumer base for luxury vehicles only cares about the outward appearance and space, which is why a Maybach can be sold with a six-cylinder there. There is little to no demand in China for vehicles like M3's regardless of how much they cost or how high their performance is because it is the antithesis of their wealthy image. Most of the wealthy don't even drive their cars.

If someone in China wants to flex with a BMW product, they're much more likely to get an i7 that can chauffeur them around.
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Old Mar 21, 2023 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Motorola
BMW has difficulties selling with their recent ultra-luxury products. The current 8 Series was essentially a flop and while I think this will do better on the basis of being an SUV, I don't see it bringing in more audiences than an X7.
Unfortunately you're not wrong here. At my last visit, I see they put heavy discounts on 8 and iX. I read X9 might be on horizon. So maybe this is the better product for Chinese market as you mentioned below. And yes even the so so wealthy/business man/woman have drivers. It's quite common in many countries over there.

Originally Posted by Motorola
You don't understand the Chinese market. The Chinese consumer base for luxury vehicles only cares about the outward appearance and space, which is why a Maybach can be sold with a six-cylinder there. There is little to no demand in China for vehicles like M3's regardless of how much they cost or how high their performance is because it is the antithesis of their wealthy image. Most of the wealthy don't even drive their cars.

If someone in China wants to flex with a BMW product, they're much more likely to get an i7 that can chauffeur them around.
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Old Mar 21, 2023 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
Unfortunately you're not wrong here. At my last visit, I see they put heavy discounts on 8 and iX. I read X9 might be on horizon. So maybe this is the better product for Chinese market as you mentioned below. And yes even the so so wealthy/business man/woman have drivers. It's quite common in many countries over there.
The 8series sold so poorly BMW had to skip a MY.
I expect the same with this XM - no dealer wants $160k product collecting dust on their showroom. It doesn’t excel in performance, styling, luxury or efficiency. It also doesn’t speak to BMW’s M buyers. Complete and utter fail.

The Alpina X7 is much more desirable imo.

Btw all the electric models are not selling at all - iX, i4

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Old Mar 21, 2023 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Btw all the electric models are not selling at all - iX, i4
I think same thing with MB. It seems the EV folks and "German car oriented" folks don't value things the same way. I hope I won't trigger people with that statement. I'm personally not (mind) ready for an EV.
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Old Mar 21, 2023 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
I think same thing with MB. It seems the EV folks and "German car oriented" folks don't value things the same way. I hope I won't trigger people with that statement. I'm personally not (mind) ready for an EV.
Nope you are correct. They don't drive correctly and lack the same feeling
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Old Mar 21, 2023 | 03:14 PM
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I'm on a BMW forum and saw this picture of the current X7 and was reminded of the crazy looking new XM SUV. I know which large SUV I prefer.


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Old Mar 21, 2023 | 03:32 PM
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That's not the current one. That's pre LCI - the better looking one.
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Old Mar 21, 2023 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
That's not the current one. That's pre LCI - the better looking one.
Good catch it's a 2019.
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