P0330 Knock Sensor, 15 min. Hack Repair...
07-20-23, 03:06 PM
#257
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You really are the man, Bobster. To clear up 50% of the questions on this thread: 1) if you are getting BOTH P0330 and P0325 codes, you CANNOT do this hack. You MUST have one good knock sensor working for this to work as you are just feeding good info from the working sensor into the bad sensor wire. If you are getting both codes P0330 and P0325, you MUST replace both sensors and the harness with genuine OEM Denso parts. Do NOT buy Rock auto or auto zone parts. You WILL fail, have to do it again with genuine parts and be out all the money for the 1st repair. 2) If getting P0325, cut clear wire and splice clear wire on the connector side to the black wire. If P0330 (by far the most common), cut black wire then splice black wire on the ECU/white connector side to clear. 3) You don't have to cut all wires - just the bad wire. Just cut the bad code wire (P0330 = bad black wire. P0325 = bad clear wire) then remove 1/4" of sheathing from good wire - AKA other wire. Now expose 1/4" of bad wire (the one attached to the ECU/white connector) and just solder this bad wire to the open unsheathed/exposed area you made on the good wire. Wrap with tape. Tape off the end of the bad wire that you cut - the one that is coming from the firewallengine/sensor. You don't need this wire anymore but want to make sure it doesn't short.
07-22-23, 02:20 AM
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Thanks from Australia 2023!
I am from Oz.
my car is Toyota Estima 2001 (as known as Sienna or Tarago…) which has a bank 2 knock sensor bad.
from your post, I understood the way and I follow the ECU diagram of my car to find out which is KNKR & KNKL (knock sensor bank 1 & 2), then I cut off the KNKL (bank 2) line (grey) and connected it to the other. Then it means only knock sensor bank 1 send signal to both KNKR & KNKL in the ECU, then the ECU stops the limp mode. Drove 200Km today and it’s still fine!
thanks a bunch for your post, that saves thousands of dollars 💵 for many people.
cheers!!!!!
my car is Toyota Estima 2001 (as known as Sienna or Tarago…) which has a bank 2 knock sensor bad.
from your post, I understood the way and I follow the ECU diagram of my car to find out which is KNKR & KNKL (knock sensor bank 1 & 2), then I cut off the KNKL (bank 2) line (grey) and connected it to the other. Then it means only knock sensor bank 1 send signal to both KNKR & KNKL in the ECU, then the ECU stops the limp mode. Drove 200Km today and it’s still fine!
thanks a bunch for your post, that saves thousands of dollars 💵 for many people.
cheers!!!!!
07-22-23, 02:27 AM
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in fact we can still do it!!!
Just install 1 knock sensor to both KNKR & KNKL of the ECU, next to the ECU
the idea of it is ECU reads the signals from knock sensors. => we can give it the signals by installing a sensor where we want
Just install 1 knock sensor to both KNKR & KNKL of the ECU, next to the ECU
the idea of it is ECU reads the signals from knock sensors. => we can give it the signals by installing a sensor where we want
You really are the man, Bobster. To clear up 50% of the questions on this thread: 1) if you are getting BOTH P0330 and P0325 codes, you CANNOT do this hack. You MUST have one good knock sensor working for this to work as you are just feeding good info from the working sensor into the bad sensor wire. If you are getting both codes P0330 and P0325, you MUST replace both sensors and the harness with genuine OEM Denso parts. Do NOT buy Rock auto or auto zone parts. You WILL fail, have to do it again with genuine parts and be out all the money for the 1st repair. 2) If getting P0325, cut clear wire and splice clear wire on the connector side to the black wire. If P0330 (by far the most common), cut black wire then splice black wire on the ECU/white connector side to clear. 3) You don't have to cut all wires - just the bad wire. Just cut the bad code wire (P0330 = bad black wire. P0325 = bad clear wire) then remove 1/4" of sheathing from good wire - AKA other wire. Now expose 1/4" of bad wire (the one attached to the ECU/white connector) and just solder this bad wire to the open unsheathed/exposed area you made on the good wire. Wrap with tape. Tape off the end of the bad wire that you cut - the one that is coming from the firewallengine/sensor. You don't need this wire anymore but want to make sure it doesn't short.
07-22-23, 08:22 PM
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08-03-23, 07:04 AM
#261
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Hey maxSteel. Just to be clear. I would gladly spend the $1,500 it will properly take to replace both knock sensors and related parts on my 2002 RX300. Gladly! The car has 168,000 runs and looks like new and I take it on 10 hour trips with my wonderful family on a regular basis. It must be in perfect shape for us. I bought it new with 4 miles in Nov 2002 and it has been PERFECTLY maintained. BUT I have two friends who had P0330 codes - one with a 2001 RX and one with 2003 RX. Now you probably know that the 2001 to 2003 RX are almost bolt to bolt identical (99-2001 is like a different SUV in many ways - that's a different thread). BOTH of my friends had the ENTIRE knock system replaced on their cars with Genuine Denso OEM everything -- harness, sensors, everything. Done by the local Lexus dealership. Guess what happened??? BOTH of my friends were AGAIN throwing the SAME P0330 codes within a year. Yes, no joke! None of our cars knocked, none ran less than perfect. Now, my friends are not going to spend another $1,500 each to have these parts replaced AGAIN for them to send the same code again in 6 months to year down the road. Obviously, all the sensors and related parts on these three Lexus RX300s weren't bad. That's four on one car, four on another and two on mine. This is a RECOGNIZED DEFECT from the engineers at Toyota. These are all possibilities: The crystals in the sensors are too sensitive, the sensors cannot differentiate between a hard bump in road and an engine knock, the harness is too fragile, etc etc etc. It doesn't matter because it's a defect. My friends and I have all soldered black into clear. All have one good sensor sending signal, none of the RX's are pinging or running rough, we all run 91 to 93 octane just in case. Difference: My buds are $3,000 lighter in the pocket because of this engine and engineering defect.
08-03-23, 10:05 AM
#262
Hey maxSteel. Just to be clear. I would gladly spend the $1,500 it will properly take to replace both knock sensors and related parts on my 2002 RX300. Gladly! The car has 168,000 runs and looks like new and I take it on 10 hour trips with my wonderful family on a regular basis. It must be in perfect shape for us. I bought it new with 4 miles in Nov 2002 and it has been PERFECTLY maintained. BUT I have two friends who had P0330 codes - one with a 2001 RX and one with 2003 RX. Now you probably know that the 2001 to 2003 RX are almost bolt to bolt identical (99-2001 is like a different SUV in many ways - that's a different thread). BOTH of my friends had the ENTIRE knock system replaced on their cars with Genuine Denso OEM everything -- harness, sensors, everything. Done by the local Lexus dealership. Guess what happened??? BOTH of my friends were AGAIN throwing the SAME P0330 codes within a year. Yes, no joke! None of our cars knocked, none ran less than perfect. Now, my friends are not going to spend another $1,500 each to have these parts replaced AGAIN for them to send the same code again in 6 months to year down the road. Obviously, all the sensors and related parts on these three Lexus RX300s weren't bad. That's four on one car, four on another and two on mine. This is a RECOGNIZED DEFECT from the engineers at Toyota. These are all possibilities: The crystals in the sensors are too sensitive, the sensors cannot differentiate between a hard bump in road and an engine knock, the harness is too fragile, etc etc etc. It doesn't matter because it's a defect. My friends and I have all soldered black into clear. All have one good sensor sending signal, none of the RX's are pinging or running rough, we all run 91 to 93 octane just in case. Difference: My buds are $3,000 lighter in the pocket because of this engine and engineering defect.
I'm not defending the design, and I too had the code a few months after replacing the sensors and harness. I did the splice hack after that and have lived with it since. If it fails I will chase the wiring and see why. I think the knock sensor wires at the ECU go directly to the knock sensor harness connector so it should be straightforward.
My comment was in response to your suggestion "Just install 1 knock sensor to both KNKR & KNKL of the ECU, next to the ECU". I interpreted this as "stick a knock sensor next to the ECU", but that won't work. The ECU is expecting a "normal" waveform from the sensor when the engine speed is between 2,000 rpm and 5,600 rpm and will fail the sensor when it doesn't get it.
Last edited by maxSteel; 08-03-23 at 10:17 AM.
08-03-23, 10:38 AM
#263
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Hey maxSteel. Just to be clear. I would gladly spend the $1,500 it will properly take to replace both knock sensors and related parts on my 2002 RX300. Gladly! The car has 168,000 runs and looks like new and I take it on 10 hour trips with my wonderful family on a regular basis. It must be in perfect shape for us. I bought it new with 4 miles in Nov 2002 and it has been PERFECTLY maintained. BUT I have two friends who had P0330 codes - one with a 2001 RX and one with 2003 RX. Now you probably know that the 2001 to 2003 RX are almost bolt to bolt identical (99-2001 is like a different SUV in many ways - that's a different thread). BOTH of my friends had the ENTIRE knock system replaced on their cars with Genuine Denso OEM everything -- harness, sensors, everything. Done by the local Lexus dealership. Guess what happened??? BOTH of my friends were AGAIN throwing the SAME P0330 codes within a year. Yes, no joke! None of our cars knocked, none ran less than perfect. Now, my friends are not going to spend another $1,500 each to have these parts replaced AGAIN for them to send the same code again in 6 months to year down the road. Obviously, all the sensors and related parts on these three Lexus RX300s weren't bad. That's four on one car, four on another and two on mine. This is a RECOGNIZED DEFECT from the engineers at Toyota. These are all possibilities: The crystals in the sensors are too sensitive, the sensors cannot differentiate between a hard bump in road and an engine knock, the harness is too fragile, etc etc etc. It doesn't matter because it's a defect. My friends and I have all soldered black into clear. All have one good sensor sending signal, none of the RX's are pinging or running rough, we all run 91 to 93 octane just in case. Difference: My buds are $3,000 lighter in the pocket because of this engine and engineering defect.
Salim
08-29-23, 02:06 PM
#264
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Thanks to everyone who posted on this !!
I did the hackn on my RX300. It worked, and now driving great again. It was easy and relatively quick. Taking out the glove box was the hardest part!!
I did the hackn on my RX300. It worked, and now driving great again. It was easy and relatively quick. Taking out the glove box was the hardest part!!
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