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Hi Guys,
I am hoping for some advise, I like a rcF which is for lease transfer but has around 27k miles on it. Has almost 2 more years left. I am wondering i will have to change the tires and brakes at the least if i were to keep the care for 2 more years. The price is pretty good. around 800.Im thinking if he would come down to 700-750.
Is it still worth it? i dont want to get stuck with any high maintenance esp on a lease vehicle.
Please shed some light,
Thanks

Uz

mjeds

OEM tires are good for maybe 30K, brakes are 12k-15k on OEM pads.

if he hasn't changed them yet @ 26k it is due real soon. If you keep the OEM style performance pads and summer tires, expect to change them every 20K on average.

This is a performance car, the OEM stuff is high performance stuff, so it performs well but has a real short life span.

Kerune

Hi keep in mind that slightly lower payments for a lease transfer don't always make sense. Keep in mind residual value and add 24 months of $800/mo payments and you've got yourself a $60k+ vehicle not factoring in taxes on lease buy-out and that's for a 27k mile car.

flowrider

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The Michelins should only go about 20K miles. Brake pads on the other hand should last much longer than 15K miles unless you really abuse them.

Lou

mjeds

the Michelins have a tread-wear warranty of 30K, I'm at 16K now and the tires are at 6/32. another 15K isn't going to be an issue.

as for the OEM performance pads, I've owned 4 cars with these Brembos and never had the pads last beyond 15K, I had my OEM pads changed under the TSB @ 9K and they were close to done, dealer told me if I had waited any longer to do the TSB it would have been denied because they won't do it if they pads show more than 80% wear. I've always changed out to street pads after the initial OEM pads.

flowrider

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^^^^To address your points:

1. The Michelin Treadwear Warranty on the PSS is 15,000 miles if the tires cannot be rotated or if there are different sized tires mounted front and rear. Both cases apply to the RCF. See attached.

2. In my post, I used the word "abuse". If you go through pads in 9K miles you are overusing your brakes. Please see the pict attached of a front stock pad from my ISF replaced @ 23,135 miles. NOT because they were worn out, but because I was unhappy with the performance. I replaced them with Ferodo DS2500 pads. I am very pleased with Ferodo. But, do my stock pads look worn out? Still lots of life left in them.

Lou

DougHII

I had to replace my front brakes at about 20k or so and my tires were gone around that time also. I was very close to needing both front and rears brakes including rotors at 32,000 miles right before I totaled mine.

mjeds

I don't over used my brakes. On my Camaro with the Brembo's the OEM pads were toast @ 15K, and I mean there was nothing left to the pad, but the Hawk street compound pads I replaced them with weren't even at 50% wear when I turned in the car with 52K, so at 37K they had another 20k-30k of life in them, the only thing that changed was the pad, not my driving habits.

Same with my Chrysler 300c SRT8, OEM pads were done by 15K, Hawk replacement pads lasted until 90K miles.

In the RC-F I had them changed because of the TSB, the squeal and the dust was driving me nuts, I had put up with that same squeal and dusting on both the previous vehicles, since Lexus offered a street pad replacement on their dime I took advantage of it, and @ 9K the pads had about 30-35% left on them, so at 15K or so they would have been toast.

Having experienced the same issue on multiple cars with similar Brembo Brake setups and the OEM pads lasting under 20K but the replacements lasting over 60K tells me it is not my driving habits, it is the material the pads are made of.


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also I am well aware that the legal department at Michelin reduces the Treadwear Warranty for staggered wheel sets, that doesn't mean the tires will last any less, it simply means that Michelin will not cover a replacement over 15K for a staggered setup.

I have never rotated tires on any vehicle I have owned in 30 years, I find it to be a pointless exercise, it doesn't extend the life of the tires at all, like the 3,000 mile oil change, it is designed to get you into the shop to spend money and deny you a warranty replacement if you don't. Having worked as an ASE tech for a dozen years, tires rotations and the like were up sales and we as techs were required to recommend them on every vehicle, regardless of need.

My current treadwear depth is 6/32 according to my depth gauge, that means I can pull another 15K out of these tires without issue.

The worst tires I have ever experienced were the Pirelli P-Zeros my Camaro came with, 12K and the belts were showing. They had a 10K treadwear warranty on them and damn if they weren't dead @ 10K.

My driving route, the roads I travel and my driving habits haven't changed in 14 years, so that means it's the quality of the pads and tires, not my driving habits.

Ne1tHeRe

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Is this the TSB for brake noise?

mjeds

yeah the noise and dust.

Davew77

My OEM pads were at 8mm last week when I had the oil changed at 27k miles. I don't know how thick they are when new, but I'd guess 12-13mm. So at this rate they may last 50k-60k miles.

How you drive and where you drive will determine the life of your pads. If you only drive open highway with no traffic your pads are going to last a lot longer than someone who fights stop and go traffic daily. Someone who does road course racing will eat through pads very fast.