Magnaflows
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Magnaflows Vid at the bottom.
Just got my mufflers on... got an amazing deal thanks to a fellow CL member referring me to a very reputable seller thanks again Tcheung87.
Anyways got them welded on and they sound good, the only thing is that they are a little quiet than i would like... So i need some opinions from you guys helping me to decide on this:
Should i stick with what i have or get the Dual H-piping in and rip out all of the resonators?
http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z...Magnaflows.flv
Here is the video... and yes the engine was cold.
Some pics:
Thanks,
-Johnathon
Anyways got them welded on and they sound good, the only thing is that they are a little quiet than i would like... So i need some opinions from you guys helping me to decide on this:
Should i stick with what i have or get the Dual H-piping in and rip out all of the resonators?
http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z...Magnaflows.flv
Here is the video... and yes the engine was cold.
Some pics:
Thanks,
-Johnathon
Last edited by SCpwner; 07-12-07 at 10:16 AM. Reason: New Video
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which Magnaflows are those?
Go with 2.25" pipeing from the Cats to a magnaflow True-X pipe (where the 2 in 1) would be. Keep it dual all the way to the mufflers.
You can also replace the 2 front cats witth magnaflow's.
Go with 2.25" pipeing from the Cats to a magnaflow True-X pipe (where the 2 in 1) would be. Keep it dual all the way to the mufflers.
You can also replace the 2 front cats witth magnaflow's.
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^^^ the 14829's and that sounds good but that would be a little pricey right? i was just thinking straight 2.25" dual piping all the way back. that's the cheapest and I'm just trying to get it louder not performance gain really.
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An H pipe is definitely loud and simple to fabricate, but it is not good for flow. The Mustang guys debate over the H-pipe vs X-pipe like we debate over 1JZ vs na-t. The H-pipe is definitely not as good for performance, especially at peak rpm; but, it is as much as 10 decibels louder than a comparable X-pipe set up. The consensus opinion is that the X-pipe presents a more "tuned" exhaust note, even on a 16 valve Mustang V8.
Regardless, I would go all out from the cats back with 2.25" piping, deleting the resonators and adding something for gas balance: either an X-pipe (~$90 from ebay or the like) or H-pipe (~$20 fabricated by your exhaust guy).
I don't know of anyone on this forum with an H-pipe. I suggest listening to this video to notice how raspy a car can become with an H-pipe. After ~1:30 in the video, the car sounds like it has emphysema (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Pzr09JRPg).
Regardless, I would go all out from the cats back with 2.25" piping, deleting the resonators and adding something for gas balance: either an X-pipe (~$90 from ebay or the like) or H-pipe (~$20 fabricated by your exhaust guy).
I don't know of anyone on this forum with an H-pipe. I suggest listening to this video to notice how raspy a car can become with an H-pipe. After ~1:30 in the video, the car sounds like it has emphysema (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Pzr09JRPg).
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and blizzy thanks for the input... imo i like the h piping sound on the mustang because you can hear the engine... and putting that on a lexus won't make it sound like that with those mufflers will it?. It looked to me as if that GT didn't have any mufflers on at all giving it that more noticable raspy sound. You said that H piping isn't good for performance at peak rpm's- so does this mean i will be losing performance by adding these over stock? or just compared to x piping i will loose performance... please elaborate.
My dad owns a Mustang cobra and has done something similar with cats and h piping no mufflers but he's pushing 400 rwhp dynoed and it's loud as crap.
Anyways i'll let everyone know my decision here in a little bit (i get paid friday and might go ahead and take it to get it done then.)
Another thing is that i don't have that much money right now and i'm just trying to get it louder.
Thanks for all the input though guys
Last edited by SCpwner; 07-10-07 at 03:35 PM.
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Originally Posted by SCpwner
It looked to me as if that GT didn't have any mufflers on at all giving it that more noticable raspy sound.
Originally Posted by SCpwner
You said that H piping isn't good for performance at peak rpm's- so does this mean i will be losing performance by adding these over stock? or just compared to x piping i will loose performance... please elaborate.
An H pipe requires that the exhaust gases make a 90-degree bend for any balancing effect to take place. When exhaust gases are moving slowly and more randomly through the exhaust, this is capacitated. But, as exhaust gases approach speeds upward of the maximum capacity of the exhaust pipe, this 90-degree bend is not utilized and often bypassed. This means the pulses of the engine are no ironed out by the H-pipe and the exhaust has a perceived structure of a "true dual" exhaust with no balance pipe. This will sound much like a pair of 2L Civics. It is definitely loud, raw, and mean; but, it is not positive for performance.
On the other hand, the X-pipe forces the exhaust gases to balance, and it does so with shallow angles that are positive for exhaust flow. Whether exhaust gases are moving fastly or slowly, they must travel through the X and balance out. When balanced, the exhaust gases flow much more fluidly and smoothly than they would otherwise, resulting in positive performance gains. The quicker this balance happens, the better.
The stock exhaust system is a giant Y-to-Y set up. From the cats, the pipes converge into one large tube in the middle of the exhaust system. This forces the exhaust pulses to balance. After the center section, the pipes separate to the resonators and the mufflers. This acts similarly to the X pipe, just on a larger scale. The stock exhaust system is by no means poorly designed in this regard. It should present better performance than a comparable H-pipe set up.
Originally Posted by SCpwner
My dad owns a Mustang cobra and has done something similar with cats and h piping no mufflers but he's pushing 400 rwhp dynoed and it's loud as crap.
Originally Posted by SCpwner
Another thing is that i don't have that much money right now and i'm just trying to get it louder.
Check out these two exhaust shots...
This is Neil Griffith's exhaust (Supercharged Soarer guru in Australia w/H-pipe). Notice the 90* bend for the H-pipe to actively balance:
This is Scott's exhaust (Supercharged SC400 guru from this very forum w/X-pipe). Notice how the exhaust gases have no choice but to balance:
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Thanks guys again for your input... Blizzy man you really know your stuff and in no way do you fail to explain to me advantages and disadvantages
As of right now i don't know what i am going to do but i do know it's either going to be x pipe or h piping.
Oh one more question Blizzy... From what you said as at most 10 horses: So if i put an H piping in i would loose 10 horses from stock exhaust or is that the difference between x and h?
Thanks,
Johnathon
As of right now i don't know what i am going to do but i do know it's either going to be x pipe or h piping.
Oh one more question Blizzy... From what you said as at most 10 horses: So if i put an H piping in i would loose 10 horses from stock exhaust or is that the difference between x and h?
Thanks,
Johnathon
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yeah resonators are gone
i have
stock manifolds > stock cats > new 2.25 piping > magnaflow x pipe > new piping > 2 14829 magnaflows
its louder, dont get me wrong, but if your looking for that "mustang grumble at idles + cruising" thats what i do NOT have.
im going to pull my cats, see how that is, and look into rush import headers.
btw, even though its quiet.... sounds awesome.
i have
stock manifolds > stock cats > new 2.25 piping > magnaflow x pipe > new piping > 2 14829 magnaflows
its louder, dont get me wrong, but if your looking for that "mustang grumble at idles + cruising" thats what i do NOT have.
im going to pull my cats, see how that is, and look into rush import headers.
btw, even though its quiet.... sounds awesome.
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Thanks man... I think Monday will be the day i'm going to take out all the piping from the headers and throw in H Piping... i prefer that sound when it idles and cruising. I have also been reading up tell me if i'm correct:
X piping- More of a HP gain then anything else
H piping- More of a torque gain.
Is this right?
X piping- More of a HP gain then anything else
H piping- More of a torque gain.
Is this right?
yeah resonators are gone
i have
stock manifolds > stock cats > new 2.25 piping > magnaflow x pipe > new piping > 2 14829 magnaflows
its louder, dont get me wrong, but if your looking for that "mustang grumble at idles + cruising" thats what i do NOT have.
im going to pull my cats, see how that is, and look into rush import headers.
btw, even though its quiet.... sounds awesome.
i have
stock manifolds > stock cats > new 2.25 piping > magnaflow x pipe > new piping > 2 14829 magnaflows
its louder, dont get me wrong, but if your looking for that "mustang grumble at idles + cruising" thats what i do NOT have.
im going to pull my cats, see how that is, and look into rush import headers.
btw, even though its quiet.... sounds awesome.
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The H-piping becomes inefficient at high rpms where peak horsepower is put down. The X-piping becomes very efficient at these same moments. These high rpm moment are where the difference would be felt. Under normal driving circumstances, the difference would be almost impossible to feel; however, the sound differential would be somewhat obvious.
Super cheap: Remove resonators
Super loud: H-pipe
Super duper: X-pipe
If you want loud, the H-pipe is the best route. Most Mustang guys say 5-10dB are lost when going from H-pipe to X-pipe. Listen to RedPheonix's Youtube exhaust video knowing an H-pipe should be 5-10dB louder and ~$80 cheaper. Then, make your decision.