View Poll Results: Regular, Mid-Grade, or Premium?
Regular
4
10.00%
Mid-Grade
0
0%
Premium
36
90.00%
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Gas: Premium vs. Regular advantages, disadvantages (merged threads)
#227
Driver
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The east coast is fed primarily from Texas based refineries. Each refinery loads into a few pipelines that then dump into tanks and then to gas stations. So all brands but Amoco premium, are mixed together. The only difference is the additives added at the local tankfarms just before delivery at the station. So in North Carolina, all the big oil refiners are putting the screws to you.
#228
Ls. Premium vs. regular fuel
I would not do it, but I have had a number of drivers that said they use regular fuel even though their vehicles specified (required or recommended) premium. I had a 430 and now have a 460 and always used premium and always tried to use top tier fuel. Even heard of LS owners who used regular. What are the long term consequences of using regular instead of premium? I know differences in power etc, but what else's?
I have a buddy with a new Acura MDX who has plenty of money, but will only use regular. Said he read in a AAA publication that regular was OK to use in any vehicle.
Any thoughts or information about this would be appreciated.
I have a buddy with a new Acura MDX who has plenty of money, but will only use regular. Said he read in a AAA publication that regular was OK to use in any vehicle.
Any thoughts or information about this would be appreciated.
#229
Premium vs regular fuel
any long term consequences to using regular fuel not premium in ls460
#230
Intermediate
I don't know about long term as I have had my 07 only three months now but I do know that I accidentally filled it with regular once and the idle became lower and quite ragged.
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#231
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Richardgil
Welcome to the LS forum. This issue has been beat to death. I believe the general consequence is this: If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch. The LS requires 91 Octane or better and if that is out of your reach then maybe you should rethink buying an LS. Yes it hurts to pump the 40-50 cent more a gallon fuel that the LS requires but that is the nature of the beasts that we drive. Again welcome.
Dennis
Welcome to the LS forum. This issue has been beat to death. I believe the general consequence is this: If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch. The LS requires 91 Octane or better and if that is out of your reach then maybe you should rethink buying an LS. Yes it hurts to pump the 40-50 cent more a gallon fuel that the LS requires but that is the nature of the beasts that we drive. Again welcome.
Dennis
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#232
regular vs premium
Richardgil
Welcome to the LS forum. This issue has been beat to death. I believe the general consequence is this: If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch. The LS requires 91 Octane or better and if that is out of your reach then maybe you should rethink buying an LS. Yes it hurts to pump the 40-50 cent more a gallon fuel that the LS requires but that is the nature of the beasts that we drive. Again welcome.
Dennis
Welcome to the LS forum. This issue has been beat to death. I believe the general consequence is this: If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch. The LS requires 91 Octane or better and if that is out of your reach then maybe you should rethink buying an LS. Yes it hurts to pump the 40-50 cent more a gallon fuel that the LS requires but that is the nature of the beasts that we drive. Again welcome.
Dennis
#233
Intermediate
Burning regular in an engine designed for premium on a long-term basis or under heavy loads can cause engine knock, and that in turn can damage the pistons, valves or spark plugs. Due to the presence of knock sensors and the car's ability to retard the spark timing, you might not hear knocking, but that doesn't mean premium is unnecessary.
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#234
Pole Position
I stopped using premium fuel at some point in my LS460 ownership, what I discovered was under a load (going up big hills, heavy acceleration) I would get some hesitation. That was about it - which was fine with me because I drove a ton of mikes every week - and I probably was saving maybe $500-$600 bucks a year. Not huge, but after a few years I probably saved $1,500 or so.
I traded my car in at 178,000 miles. At that point it began "using oil". I was going through a quart every 1,000 miles. Was it because I damaged the engine because of the fuel? I'm not sure. I tend to think no because of the way I drove and the type of commuting I did. My drive was flat highway, 80 miles round trip everyday. Easy. But maybe it was because of that...maybe the rings were **** because if engine knock and the pistons rattling off the cylinder walls? I never experienced any sort of engine knock that I could hear (and I know what it sounds like). And the knock sensors in these cars act very quickly to quickly retard timing. But who knows?
I will say that there are many people who have experienced oil consumption at high mileage with the 460 (and many other cars right now). Google oil consumption with any car brand, you'll be flooded with complaints from almost every car out on the road right now. They say manufacturers did so much to improve fuel economy - including adding low tension rings - it's no wonder engines are burning oil. Add in direct injection and 10,000 mile oil changes?? Most modern cars I'm seeing with over 150,000 on the clock are experiencing oil consumption to some degree (especially direct injection cars).
I traded my car in at 178,000 miles. At that point it began "using oil". I was going through a quart every 1,000 miles. Was it because I damaged the engine because of the fuel? I'm not sure. I tend to think no because of the way I drove and the type of commuting I did. My drive was flat highway, 80 miles round trip everyday. Easy. But maybe it was because of that...maybe the rings were **** because if engine knock and the pistons rattling off the cylinder walls? I never experienced any sort of engine knock that I could hear (and I know what it sounds like). And the knock sensors in these cars act very quickly to quickly retard timing. But who knows?
I will say that there are many people who have experienced oil consumption at high mileage with the 460 (and many other cars right now). Google oil consumption with any car brand, you'll be flooded with complaints from almost every car out on the road right now. They say manufacturers did so much to improve fuel economy - including adding low tension rings - it's no wonder engines are burning oil. Add in direct injection and 10,000 mile oil changes?? Most modern cars I'm seeing with over 150,000 on the clock are experiencing oil consumption to some degree (especially direct injection cars).
#235
Advanced
PREMIUM gas for me!
I own and keep all my cars until they start "nickel and diming" me so I go to great lengths to "pamper" them for years of service so "IF" the engineers who designed them say to run a premium blend of gas I listen to them, because they are highly qualified about what is good for the engine....... When you do the math it costs "a little more" to keep the car happy and running the way it should.
Engine knock is bad and it is the way your engine is telling you that is not happy.
I own and keep all my cars until they start "nickel and diming" me so I go to great lengths to "pamper" them for years of service so "IF" the engineers who designed them say to run a premium blend of gas I listen to them, because they are highly qualified about what is good for the engine....... When you do the math it costs "a little more" to keep the car happy and running the way it should.
Engine knock is bad and it is the way your engine is telling you that is not happy.
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#236
Cars don't have feelings. Humans have feelings. Car can't be happy or sad.
Do whatever makes you happy or sad.
As far as why engineers decided for premium?...
“Most automakers are looking at higher compression to increase efficiency. Raising octane allows that with minimal other changes to the engine,” said Mark Christie, vice president for engine engineering at the U.S. arm of engineering consultant Ricardo. It’s simpler and less expensive than adding new technologies, and a building block to make those technologies
even more effective.
Higher octane is the most cost effective way to reduce greenhouse emissions, GM global propulsion systems chief Dan Nicholson.
Rererence:
https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...ers/100716174/
Do whatever makes you happy or sad.
As far as why engineers decided for premium?...
“Most automakers are looking at higher compression to increase efficiency. Raising octane allows that with minimal other changes to the engine,” said Mark Christie, vice president for engine engineering at the U.S. arm of engineering consultant Ricardo. It’s simpler and less expensive than adding new technologies, and a building block to make those technologies
even more effective.
Higher octane is the most cost effective way to reduce greenhouse emissions, GM global propulsion systems chief Dan Nicholson.
Rererence:
https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...ers/100716174/
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Richardgil (06-19-18)
#237
The ls460 engine has 11.8 compression ratio. That’s very high. Using low octane subjects the engine to constant detonation that after the engine sees it the motor tries to compensate for. I am not surprised that some regular users are reporting oil use early.
i hope they buy a car in the future that has had the motor possibly damaged from improper fuel. Some one is buying theirs. Only fair
i hope they buy a car in the future that has had the motor possibly damaged from improper fuel. Some one is buying theirs. Only fair
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#238
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I used regular gas for 3 years in my '07. Never noticed any difference (and I'm quite picky about responsiveness and acceleration). I use premium in my '14 but am thinking of switching over to regular at 70 cents a gallon less. (I remember, before 2008, premium was 10 cents a gallon more than regular at $2.50 - $3.00 a gallon for regular). Somebody's making big bucks out of us premium users!
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#239
Intermediate
Burning regular in an engine designed for premium on a long-term basis or under heavy loads can cause engine knock, and that in turn can damage the pistons, valves or spark plugs. Due to the presence of knock sensors and the car's ability to retard the spark timing, you might not hear knocking, but that doesn't mean premium is unnecessary.
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Richardgil (06-19-18)
#240
I tend to view this as I would the human body, which can consume just about anything. You have 2 thin people with one eating healthy foods and exercising most of their life; whereas the other thin person lives like Trump. We see nothing different at age 45, 50, 60, etc....but then the differences surface on the unhealthier person even tho they were thin their entire life-- earlier onset dementia, higher blood pressure and cholesterol, clogged arteries, etc.
Nothing surfaced until age caught up with them. I suspect our cars are similar, with some folks squeezing 300K miles on a bad diet (87 octane) and others only 150K on a good diet (91+ octane). However, these are the outliers, statistically, we don't know, at least not us mortal humans, what Lexus/Toyota data says about octane levels on car longevity. We tend to operate on anecdotal info, which often serves our view on things.
My point, if gas price is an issue, perhaps one should reconsider what car to own.
Nothing surfaced until age caught up with them. I suspect our cars are similar, with some folks squeezing 300K miles on a bad diet (87 octane) and others only 150K on a good diet (91+ octane). However, these are the outliers, statistically, we don't know, at least not us mortal humans, what Lexus/Toyota data says about octane levels on car longevity. We tend to operate on anecdotal info, which often serves our view on things.
My point, if gas price is an issue, perhaps one should reconsider what car to own.
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