"air suspension package" vs. "touring package"
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"air suspension package" vs. "touring package"
My local dealer doesn't have a "air suspension" version available to test. Could someone help me understand what it offers? Is it unadjustable, or does it have different settings like 'comfort', 'firm', etc. If it is adjustable, how does each setting compare to the standard suspension? I assume that if the "air suspension" is adjustable, it won't even at the firmest setting go as firm as the "touring" version?
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the 3 settings do make some difference. i wouldn't say a lot, but i could notice it after i drove the car for a while
and the air suspension has much better rebounce and response on the road, dip, bump, uneven road, etc... basically a smoother ride. i also think it has a bit better handling, but not significant.
moreover, with the air suspension, there is a "height" adjustment, which supposedly raise the car up a bit. never really use it though
and the air suspension has much better rebounce and response on the road, dip, bump, uneven road, etc... basically a smoother ride. i also think it has a bit better handling, but not significant.
moreover, with the air suspension, there is a "height" adjustment, which supposedly raise the car up a bit. never really use it though
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Thanks guys. I originally test drove a "touring" model, but it was on good roads with the salesman. Today I tried a standard suspension LS460L on my own, including on some bad roads, and was very disappointed with the suspension (having tested an S550 4matic only minutes before on the same loop). I am going to go test the "touring" model again, but since in my area "touring" would be a special order, whereas "air suspension" can be had as a normal build, if I buy the LS it would probably be the "air suspension".
If anyone could provide thoughts on the "air suspension" vs "touring" it would be helpful. For instance, is the sport setting on the "air suspension" roughly the same as the middle setting on the "touring"? Other than the suspension and brakes, are there any other differences? For instance, is the steering different on the "touring"?
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If anyone could provide thoughts on the "air suspension" vs "touring" it would be helpful. For instance, is the sport setting on the "air suspension" roughly the same as the middle setting on the "touring"? Other than the suspension and brakes, are there any other differences? For instance, is the steering different on the "touring"?
Thanks.
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Take with a grain of salt, but Edmunds here tested the LS 460 L with air suspension, stating:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=119408
They did not test the Touring version, but they provide this info as a starting point for comparison:
"firmer" calibration and bigger brakes could result in a more sporty feel, I imagine.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=119408
At higher speeds, the LS 460 L feels a touch sportier, as its steering firms up while the adaptive shocks keep its body impressively level through turns. The suspension offers Normal, Comfort and Sport modes, but the differences are slight aside from subtly tighter rebound damping in Sport. The ride motions are beautifully controlled in any mode, even at triple-digit velocity.
Varying surface conditions are likely in play here, says our road tester, and to its credit, the LS 460 L never lost its cool. ABS vibration was minimal and fade was nonexistent. Still, we'd like to test an L with the Touring Package, which provides larger brake discs (14.6 inches in front, 13.2 inches in back) and wider 245/45R19 summer tires, along with a firmer suspension calibration.
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it is my understanding that the air suspension you are seeing as a normal build is the same air suspenion in the touring package. the only difference is that the touring package includes bigger brakes, and bigger wheels. but the air suspension part is the same.
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Thanks guys. I originally test drove a "touring" model, but it was on good roads with the salesman. Today I tried a standard suspension LS460L on my own, including on some bad roads, and was very disappointed with the suspension (having tested an S550 4matic only minutes before on the same loop). I am going to go test the "touring" model again, but since in my area "touring" would be a special order, whereas "air suspension" can be had as a normal build, if I buy the LS it would probably be the "air suspension".
If anyone could provide thoughts on the "air suspension" vs "touring" it would be helpful. For instance, is the sport setting on the "air suspension" roughly the same as the middle setting on the "touring"? Other than the suspension and brakes, are there any other differences? For instance, is the steering different on the "touring"?
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If anyone could provide thoughts on the "air suspension" vs "touring" it would be helpful. For instance, is the sport setting on the "air suspension" roughly the same as the middle setting on the "touring"? Other than the suspension and brakes, are there any other differences? For instance, is the steering different on the "touring"?
Thanks.
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I found some info on the Lexus website:
Air Suspension Package $2,985 [3]
19 x 8.0-in five-spoke alloy wheels with 245/45YR19 all-season tires [19] [15]
Variable Gear-Ratio Steering (VGRS)
Adaptive Variable Air Suspension (AVS)
Touring Package $2,985 [3]
19 x 8.0-in five-spoke alloy wheels with 245/45YR19 summer tires [19] [15]
Variable Gear-Ratio Steering (VGRS)
Sport-tuned Adaptive Variable Air Suspension (AVS)
High-friction brakes with 14.1-in (front) and 13.3-in (rear) ventilated discs
...so there is a claim at least that the AVS on the touring is "Sport-tuned". It is going to be hard to find a dealer where I can test drive both, back to back. If there is a difference, I wonder how much of one, and whether, for instance, touring on its middle setting might equal air on its firmest setting. Also, I'm wondering if there is any difference in the steering, though no claim is made of that.
Air Suspension Package $2,985 [3]
19 x 8.0-in five-spoke alloy wheels with 245/45YR19 all-season tires [19] [15]
Variable Gear-Ratio Steering (VGRS)
Adaptive Variable Air Suspension (AVS)
Touring Package $2,985 [3]
19 x 8.0-in five-spoke alloy wheels with 245/45YR19 summer tires [19] [15]
Variable Gear-Ratio Steering (VGRS)
Sport-tuned Adaptive Variable Air Suspension (AVS)
High-friction brakes with 14.1-in (front) and 13.3-in (rear) ventilated discs
...so there is a claim at least that the AVS on the touring is "Sport-tuned". It is going to be hard to find a dealer where I can test drive both, back to back. If there is a difference, I wonder how much of one, and whether, for instance, touring on its middle setting might equal air on its firmest setting. Also, I'm wondering if there is any difference in the steering, though no claim is made of that.
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steering should be the same, both cars should have VGS (variable gear steering).
in terms of suspension, why not just test drive the touring in sport and comfort settings. that will give you the "worst" case scenario. the normal air suspension can only be softer, if at all
in terms of suspension, why not just test drive the touring in sport and comfort settings. that will give you the "worst" case scenario. the normal air suspension can only be softer, if at all
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steering should be the same, both cars should have VGS (variable gear steering).
in terms of suspension, why not just test drive the touring in sport and comfort settings. that will give you the "worst" case scenario. the normal air suspension can only be softer, if at all
in terms of suspension, why not just test drive the touring in sport and comfort settings. that will give you the "worst" case scenario. the normal air suspension can only be softer, if at all
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