TOM's GT Shifter Kit
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it isn't that the manual shift in the 2is sucks. *Yes it does - bigtime
it's that it's not a manual shift. At all. *In function, no. But in design, yes. Thus the paddles.
It's a top gear limiter. That's all it does. *Understood
it can fool you into thinking it's you doing any shifting under certain circumstances, but it's not. Ever. *Understood
it really is not significantly better than a column shifted automatic, because it's still, always, 100% fully automatic. *Yes it is....a good deal better, but still pretty disappointing, lexus.
Moving the stick from d to s-4 is, for all practical purposes, doing exactly the same thing that clicking the "od off" button did on a 1986 tercel. Limiting your fully automatic transmission to only the non-od gears. *Of course
folks who keep using the paddles or stick thinking they're shifting the car seem to not understand this though.
it's that it's not a manual shift. At all. *In function, no. But in design, yes. Thus the paddles.
It's a top gear limiter. That's all it does. *Understood
it can fool you into thinking it's you doing any shifting under certain circumstances, but it's not. Ever. *Understood
it really is not significantly better than a column shifted automatic, because it's still, always, 100% fully automatic. *Yes it is....a good deal better, but still pretty disappointing, lexus.
Moving the stick from d to s-4 is, for all practical purposes, doing exactly the same thing that clicking the "od off" button did on a 1986 tercel. Limiting your fully automatic transmission to only the non-od gears. *Of course
folks who keep using the paddles or stick thinking they're shifting the car seem to not understand this though.
#17
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*no, it's us folks that want a manual in this car that are determined to have some involvement in controlling the gear selection....thus, not just putting it in 'd' like my wife does. I use the 'manual' shift function more than most, and probably more than lexus expects. But again, it's a pretty lame attempt by lexus to make their sports sedan sporty. I expect that the 3rd gen is will be better in that regard.
But other than locking out higher gears the 2IS system doesn't give you any control...it's quite useful to preserve your brakes when coming down off the side of a mountain, but pretty useless for performance purposes... mostly it wastes the drivers time doing an inferior job to the computer for folks who think they're really shifters.
#18
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but Kurtz, paddle shifting is pretty fun on a super tight 2nd/3rd gear only twisty mountain roads like i have on oahu, i can pretend im Jarno Trulli in my TF109
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