satiger

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If I remember correctly, CR gave highest rating to Tesla model S (98??). May be I am wrong.

Any how, here is the report : http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-...172310492.html

Joeb427

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Ut oh..another CR thread.

Here come the CR haters.....

Devh

I don't trust CR however if all the supposed hearsay about the LS 460 troubles was really prevalent one can beg the question as to why CR never went after Lexus like they did Tesla.

This is not the first time CR gives out high ratings to certain brands only to trash it later on.

jadu

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darn buggy infotainment software! they need to do what Microsoft does and force mandatory updates . sucks to hear that this had a negative impact on stocks

mmarshall

Road and Track magazine, from what I can tell, hasn't posted an on-line copy of it, but in Bob Lutz's monthly column in the back of the magazine, he writes this month that Tesla is showing some serious signs of corporate decline. He personally likes Elon Musk (Tesla's CEO), but shows how Musk needs to act soon to forestall bankruptcy.

LexBob2

It's not unusual for a car (not just Tesla) to get good scores from the Road Test and then when reliability data from Owner Surveys becomes available things change.

tex2670

Even the thread title shows CR hate. CR didn't "slam" Tesla--they gave the car a "Worse Than Average" reliability rating, because of bugs, failures, squeaks and rattles reported by owners. Once CR rates a car less than average, they won't "Recommend" it any more--which is no different than any other car that has seen its reliability slip. But the CR story also noted that, despite reliability issues, 97% of owners would buy another one.

That's a "slam"?

You want a "slam"--go back and read the CR story when the last gen Civic first debuted, or the current gen Lexus IS. Or just about any Chrysler product.

tex2670

CR doesn't give out high ratings, and then later "trash" a car. They print a favorable review, and then update it to say "Turns out that the car was less reliable than average, so we aren't recommending it anymore." Which is a change from their policy years ago to not recommend any car at all until they had a critical mass of data for reliability.

They are saying--"This is one of the greatest cars we have ever driven, but expect lots of annoying problems." Why is that "trashing" a car?

Not every car can have Toyota reliability--that doesn't make it a bad car.

DaveGS4

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To be clear, the OP carried across the title of the article they quoted from Yahoo Finance / Reuters.

Hoovey689

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The initial glamour of a Model S has worn off a bit now that some 'long term' reliability data is starting to come in since its MY12 launch. Still a great vehicle, but hopefully Tesla addresses some of these gremlins.

Article has a nice nod to Lexus's forte

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Lexus should help Tesla with their reliability and maybe Tesla could help Lexus with their infotainment systems

LeX2K

Disappointing show by Tesla. I guess it proves how difficult it really is to consistently make a reliable car, Toyota manages far more often than not to be at the top of the rankings gotta respect that.

BTW those that consistently slam CR for being a garbage publication will no doubt say Tesla is just fine and CR is full of crap.

mmarshall

CR actually gives a pretty good explanation for the Toyota/Lexus showings, pointing out, in its latest reliability summary, that Toyota tends to introduce new technology slowly, on certain vehicles, slowly expand it, and minimize the chance for technology problems (like Ford's MyTouch and Cadillac's CUE) to affect many or all of its vehicles at once. Some other manufacturers, which are not so careful, tend to place more of their vehicles at risk.

(Buick, BTW, at #7, was the top-ranked American-brand in reliability, with none of the other American-nameplate brands above average. Audi, after improving for several years, is now the top-ranked Euro-brand. Kia also has had impressive reliability ratings lately.

Tesla's problems, not surprisingly, seem to be (mostly) linked to its complex electronics.

RXSF

this is a long time coming. CR has hoisted Tesla for way too long when in reality, their cars are not well built and designed. Technologically advanced, yes, but well built, no.

mmarshall

It takes some time, though, for an all-new vehicle to build up enough reliability data from actual owners to have a clear picture in CR's data base. Tesla is pretty much a niche-brand to start with, is sold/leased out of a rather sparse network of company-owned stores (some of which are facing legal troubles in several states), and, outside of large cities, are not readily available. Also, a Model S's price-tag is not something that the average car-buying Joe on the street can easily afford.

RXSF

CR continued to praise the Model S even though owners were suffering from software bugs, rattles, and even powertrain replacements. Edmunds own long term Model S suffered from two different instances where the power inverter needed to be replaced. Now, the owner surveys might not have come back to CR, but they could clearly see the issues on the web, and should have removed their recommended and glowing reviews.