View Poll Results: Should Ford Build a Fusion ST?
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Should Ford Build a Fusion ST?
03-22-13, 04:28 PM
#1
Should Ford Build a Fusion ST?
Should Ford Build a Fusion ST?
We’re fans of the Ford Focus ST and, before long, the Fiesta will get its own ST variant. But what about the 2013 Ford Fusion? Ford already offers the midsize sedan with five engines including a 240-hp turbocharged 2.0-liter I-4, but the all-wheel-drive variant’s 6.8-second 0-60 mph time might leave some enthusiasts wanting more. So we want to hear from you: Should Ford build a low-volume Fusion ST?
The last-generation Ford Fusion may have had a V-6 variant, but it lacked a high-performance model like previous variants of the Taurus, when that car was a midsize sedan. None of the midsize sedan class leaders — the Camry, Accord, and Altima — have a truly high-performance sporty variant, so a Fusion ST might be in a class of one.
The Lincoln MKZ’s available V-6 is one of its distinguishing features from the Fusion, suggesting a Fusion ST might have to use a more powerful version of its EcoBoost 2.0-liter I-4, along with a few suspension modifications and visual upgrades.
When the 2013 Ford Fusion 2.0 EcoBoost is loaded with all of its available premium options, the price swells well past $35,000. The 2013 Fusion is already offered with 2.5-liter I-4, turbo 1.6-liter I-4, turbo 2.0-liter I-4, hybrid, and plug-in hybrid powertrains.
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03-22-13, 04:49 PM
#3
I could see them selling a 300 HP version with less luxury features, perhaps the mustang V6 would be a good choice for this. lots of dads want a 4 door car with passing power, yet not a full size sedan like the Taurus. Right now a luxury marque is their only option. I think this is a niche no brand is filling, but Ford could do it because almost no one cross shops Ford and Lincoln, however hard Lincoln is trying to capture younger buyers.
03-22-13, 05:31 PM
#4
Ford absolutely needs a high performance version of the Fusion. But it needs to split it from the Titanium, or it'll be a tough sell. Allow people the engine choice for whatever they want, stop tying it to trim levels.
I could see them selling a 300 HP version with less luxury features, perhaps the mustang V6 would be a good choice for this. lots of dads want a 4 door car with passing power, yet not a full size sedan like the Taurus. Right now a luxury marque is their only option. I think this is a niche no brand is filling, but Ford could do it because almost no one cross shops Ford and Lincoln, however hard Lincoln is trying to capture younger buyers.
I could see them selling a 300 HP version with less luxury features, perhaps the mustang V6 would be a good choice for this. lots of dads want a 4 door car with passing power, yet not a full size sedan like the Taurus. Right now a luxury marque is their only option. I think this is a niche no brand is filling, but Ford could do it because almost no one cross shops Ford and Lincoln, however hard Lincoln is trying to capture younger buyers.
In regrads to Lincoln, the problem lies in the product or rather lack there of. No coupes, convertibles, performance lines or sedan smaller than a MKZ for younger buyers including myself to get excited about. I do like the new MKZ but its a bit too big for my taste.
03-23-13, 10:03 AM
#5
Not to mention Lincoln's are FWD. No one wants a FWD at the price they are charging. The Fusion based MKZ does offer AWD but I believe it's also FWD e-LSD's, which is kind of a joke for a luxury performance car (could be wrong here).
IMO Lincoln is competing to be a tier 2 luxury brand, which simply won't work in today's market when we have $30,000 BMWs and Mercedes.
IMO Lincoln is competing to be a tier 2 luxury brand, which simply won't work in today's market when we have $30,000 BMWs and Mercedes.
03-23-13, 10:13 AM
#6
Not to mention Lincoln's are FWD. No one wants a FWD at the price they are charging. The Fusion based MKZ does offer AWD but I believe it's also FWD e-LSD's, which is kind of a joke for a luxury performance car (could be wrong here).
IMO Lincoln is competing to be a tier 2 luxury brand, which simply won't work in today's market when we have $30,000 BMWs and Mercedes.
IMO Lincoln is competing to be a tier 2 luxury brand, which simply won't work in today's market when we have $30,000 BMWs and Mercedes.
03-23-13, 12:31 PM
#7
Lexus Fanatic
However, the idea that no one wants a FWD vehicle at that that price is incorrect. Look how fast, for example, the similiarly-priced Lexus ES350 flies off dealer lots, even considering that the new ES, IMO, is somewhat disappointing. In many areas, it is the best-selling vehicle for Lexus....and, where it isn't, the RX350 usually is.
As to the question of whether an Fusion ST should be done or not, time will tell, but, right now, I personally don't see a need for it. Most versions of the new Fusion, IMO, are so well-done, and will probably sell well enough, that I see little need for a macho version. In fact, an ST model would probably impact on its bigger brother.....the already slow-selling Taurus SHO, which could use a good boost in sales. Those who want to lead-foot or corner-carve can simply walk down to the other corner of the Ford showroom and buy an SHO, which the dealership will probably be glad to get rid of.
Last edited by mmarshall; 03-23-13 at 12:39 PM.
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03-23-13, 01:18 PM
#8
I agree that the MKZ probably will not sell, but for other reasons....not just because it is FWD (see my recently-posted 2013 MKZ review).
However, the idea that no one wants a FWD vehicle at that that price is incorrect. Look how fast, for example, the similiarly-priced Lexus ES350 flies off dealer lots, even considering that the new ES, IMO, is somewhat disappointing. In many areas, it is the best-selling vehicle for Lexus....and, where it isn't, the RX350 usually is.
As to the question of whether an Fusion ST should be done or not, time will tell, but, right now, I personally don't see a need for it. Most versions of the new Fusion, IMO, are so well-done, and will probably sell well enough, that I see little need for a macho version. In fact, an ST model would probably impact on its bigger brother.....the already slow-selling Taurus SHO, which could use a good boost in sales. Those who want to lead-foot or corner-carve can simply walk down to the other corner of the Ford showroom and buy an SHO, which the dealership will probably be glad to get rid of.
However, the idea that no one wants a FWD vehicle at that that price is incorrect. Look how fast, for example, the similiarly-priced Lexus ES350 flies off dealer lots, even considering that the new ES, IMO, is somewhat disappointing. In many areas, it is the best-selling vehicle for Lexus....and, where it isn't, the RX350 usually is.
As to the question of whether an Fusion ST should be done or not, time will tell, but, right now, I personally don't see a need for it. Most versions of the new Fusion, IMO, are so well-done, and will probably sell well enough, that I see little need for a macho version. In fact, an ST model would probably impact on its bigger brother.....the already slow-selling Taurus SHO, which could use a good boost in sales. Those who want to lead-foot or corner-carve can simply walk down to the other corner of the Ford showroom and buy an SHO, which the dealership will probably be glad to get rid of.
03-23-13, 07:21 PM
#9
I agree that the MKZ probably will not sell, but for other reasons....not just because it is FWD (see my recently-posted 2013 MKZ review).
However, the idea that no one wants a FWD vehicle at that that price is incorrect. Look how fast, for example, the similiarly-priced Lexus ES350 flies off dealer lots, even considering that the new ES, IMO, is somewhat disappointing. In many areas, it is the best-selling vehicle for Lexus....and, where it isn't, the RX350 usually is.
As to the question of whether an Fusion ST should be done or not, time will tell, but, right now, I personally don't see a need for it. Most versions of the new Fusion, IMO, are so well-done, and will probably sell well enough, that I see little need for a macho version. In fact, an ST model would probably impact on its bigger brother.....the already slow-selling Taurus SHO, which could use a good boost in sales. Those who want to lead-foot or corner-carve can simply walk down to the other corner of the Ford showroom and buy an SHO, which the dealership will probably be glad to get rid of.
However, the idea that no one wants a FWD vehicle at that that price is incorrect. Look how fast, for example, the similiarly-priced Lexus ES350 flies off dealer lots, even considering that the new ES, IMO, is somewhat disappointing. In many areas, it is the best-selling vehicle for Lexus....and, where it isn't, the RX350 usually is.
As to the question of whether an Fusion ST should be done or not, time will tell, but, right now, I personally don't see a need for it. Most versions of the new Fusion, IMO, are so well-done, and will probably sell well enough, that I see little need for a macho version. In fact, an ST model would probably impact on its bigger brother.....the already slow-selling Taurus SHO, which could use a good boost in sales. Those who want to lead-foot or corner-carve can simply walk down to the other corner of the Ford showroom and buy an SHO, which the dealership will probably be glad to get rid of.
If it sells 2 for every SHO sales loss, then it hasn't really hurt corporate income.
I disagree people are comparing the Fusion to the ES. Two completely different cars.
03-24-13, 01:00 AM
#10
Super Moderator
There's no way they could use the mustang V6. It's longitudinally mounted for rear-wheel drive. The Fusion is engineered for a transverse-mount engine and transaxle. They'd have to completely redesign the frame from the ground up to make such a change.
03-24-13, 11:16 AM
#11
Actually edit, the Lincoln MKX, MKZ, MKT, and MKS all use a 3.7L and they are FWD/AWD so yes Ford could use either a 3.5 or 3.7
Last edited by Hoovey689; 03-24-13 at 11:23 AM.
03-24-13, 06:27 PM
#12
Lexus Fanatic
03-24-13, 06:35 PM
#13
Lexus Fanatic
I love the theory of a high performance large Ford sedan, but in reality it needs a lot of work. Same can be said of its MKS twin which could benefit from more power, better use of space/efficiency, and a more comfortable adaptive suspension ride - of course that's for another discussion
Last edited by mmarshall; 03-24-13 at 06:51 PM.
03-25-13, 06:03 AM
#15
Super Moderator