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Old 04-15-09, 12:53 PM
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Default IL Track Tested: 2009 Mercedes S550 vs. 2000 BMW 750Li

http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightlin...hotopanel..2.*

dear god, look at the miracle ABC (active body control) does on that S class. when it goes through the skid pad, it looks completely flat.

BMW 750Li__________________Mercedes-Benz S550 (second number)
0 - 30 (sec): 2.0_____________________2.3
0 - 45 (sec): 3.6_____________________3.8
0 - 60 (sec): 5.1_____________________5.7
0 - 75 (sec): 7.5_____________________8.2
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.4 @ 104.9_____13.9 @ 101.0
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 4.8________5.4
30 - 0 (ft): 27.0_____________________27.0
60 - 0 (ft): 111______________________108
Braking Rating: Excellent_______________Excellent
Slalom (mph): 63.4___________________63.4
Skid Pad Lateral acceleration (g): 0.84___0.87
Handling Rating: Very Good____________Very Good

Vehicle: 2009 BMW 750Li
Odometer: 1,968
Date: 04/07/09
Driver: Chris Walton
Price: $89,825

Specifications:
Drive Type: rear wheel drive
Transmission Type: 6-speed automatic
Engine Type: V8
Displacement (cc / cu-in): 4,395cc (268 cu-in)
Redline (rpm): 6,500
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 400 @ 5,500
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 450 @ 1,800
Brake Type (front): Ventilated disc
Brake Type (rear): Ventilated disc
Steering System: Speed-proportional power steering
Suspension Type (front): Double wishbone
Suspension Type (rear): Multilink
Tire Size (front): 245/45R19
Tire Size (rear): 275/40R19
Tire Brand: Goodyear
Tire Model: Excellence
Tire Type: All-season
Wheel Size: 19-by-8.5 inches front -- 19-by-9.5 inches rear
Wheel Material (front/rear): Alloy
As tested Curb Weight (lb): 4,607

Acceleration Comments: I tried so many combinations (Sport, Sport w/Dynamic Traction, Sport w/DSC off, etc.) that I can't say with certainty which one was quickest. I think Sport +, DSC off, manual shift (but still auto upshift) was the winner. Zero wheelspin was definitely the best and geez is this thing a rocket. Shift were fast, bordering on harsh, and the power felt limitless.

Braking Comments: At a loss to explain diverse stopping distances (perhaps a hop in the pavement), but the brakes always felt strong and fade-free. Huge initial bite, then a superfast ABS cycle with zero drama. More dive than expected, even in the Sport chassis setting.

Handling Comments: Benign understeer at the limit with DSC off that was diminished greatly with DSC on -- which proved to be the quicker way around the skid pad. Steering gets much heavier as speed increases. (Slalom) Amazingly "buttery" steering feel, good turn-in, but there's no doubt this is a long-wheelbase car. Good balance, but even in sport chassis mode there's more roll than I expected, plus understeer at the limit. Also noticed that the seatbelts snug up when you start tossing this car around.


Vehicle: 2009 Mercedes-Benz S550
Odometer: 2,833
Date: 04/07/09
Driver: Chris Walton
Price: $111,550

Specifications:
Drive Type: Rear-wheel drive
Transmission Type: 7-speed automatic
Engine Type: V8
Displacement (cc / cu-in): 5,461cc (333 cu-in)
Redline (rpm): 6,500
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 382 @ 6,000
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 391 @ 2,800
Brake Type (front): Ventilated disc
Brake Type (rear): Ventilated disc
Steering System: Speed-proportional power steering
Suspension Type (front): Multilink
Suspension Type (rear): Multilink
Tire Size (front): 255/40R19
Tire Size (rear): 275/40R19
Tire Brand: Continental
Tire Model: SportContact2
Tire Type: Performance
Wheel Size: 19-by-8.5 inches front -- 19-by-9.5 inches rear
Wheel Material (front/rear): Alloy
As tested Curb Weight (lb): 4,630

Acceleration Comments: Responds well to brake torque, but not wheelspin. Smooth linear power delivery with aggressive exhaust note. Shifts are buttery smooth, but not very quick.

Braking Comments: Crazy powerful brakes that don't fade a bit. Very little dive, but pedal is always a little soft. Belt cinches tightly when ABS engages.

Handling Comments: (Skid pad) In both skid pad and slalom tests, I couldn't detect any difference between ESP on and ESP off. Also the Active Body Control (ABC) is very strange, but works amazing well -- keeping all four tires firmly planted. Delivers zero body roll, which makes it easy to keep on line with only minor corrections. (Slalom) Through the slalom, ABC leans the car into the turn like a skier! Very strange. In the end, ABC and ESP made every run easily repeatable. Same speed with ESP on or off.

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Old 04-15-09, 01:04 PM
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Its like watching Sumo Wrestlers do the 100 meter hurdles in high heels, which is amazing.
 
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Nice review, these are two heavy vehicles and regardless of strut braces and beefed up struts, their will always be sacrifice in slalom. Should not effect sales though (lol).
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Old 04-15-09, 05:33 PM
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Thanks for posting!I like the look of both car but in my opinion, their looks are not greater than LS460 is. Also, Do you guy notice that the rear left light on the BMW 750 Li in this review already went out (check the review clip at 1:34). This is something i found interesting
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Old 04-15-09, 06:20 PM
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lol good eyes
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Old 04-15-09, 07:30 PM
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Compared to the beautifully designed and shaped front end of the S, the 7 looks like it ran directly into a brick wall.
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Old 04-15-09, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RXSF
lol good eyes
rear fog I beleive
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I dont think cars like this should be weighted to heavily on their track prowess. Its all about seat comfort, low decibel cabins at 150 mph, heated back massage, and night vision.
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Originally Posted by FKL
rear fog I beleive
It is indeed the rear fog.. Roll stabilization should be an option on the new 7. It is an option on other BMW's.
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Originally Posted by DASHOCKER
Roll stabilization should be an option on the new 7. It is an option on other BMW's.
I already thought they have active suspension on the 7? Roll stabilization is something different?
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Originally Posted by GS3Tek
I already thought they have active suspension on the 7? Roll stabilization is something different?
It is called Active Roll stabilization (ARS) which is an option on some BMW's including the 7..


Active Roll Stabilization is an "active" suspension control system design to reduce body roll in cornering, resulting in improved handling. Whenever entering a corner, "lateral acceleration" is generated. Sensors read the level of body roll and communicate with the ECU or central "brain" which then processes this signal and coordinates various systems to respond. As a result, ARS actively generates resistance to body roll by twisting the front and rear anti-roll bars appropriate to the situation.
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if you look closely, you can see the mercedes lean into the turns on the slalom.. wow.
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ABC is creepy, but very impressive considering the monster weight of these cars.
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i can't believe the price difference between the two cars, you get what you paid for I guess (LOVE THE ABC on the S)
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Its like watching Sumo Wrestlers do the 100 meter hurdles in high heels, which is amazing.
Now THAT'S a vision... hurdles...
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