Car wash that won't strip wax?
11-24-13, 09:49 AM
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Car wash that won't strip wax?
Hey guys,
I was wondering if anyone is using a car wash that won't strip the wax (carnuba-based and synthetic) off the cars? I've been using the meguiars gold class wash shampoo&conditioner and there is a noticeable difference in the beading and slickness before and after a wash.
...or is it wish-full thinking that a car wash won't strip wax off the paint?
I was wondering if anyone is using a car wash that won't strip the wax (carnuba-based and synthetic) off the cars? I've been using the meguiars gold class wash shampoo&conditioner and there is a noticeable difference in the beading and slickness before and after a wash.
...or is it wish-full thinking that a car wash won't strip wax off the paint?
11-24-13, 10:47 AM
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I would recommend:
Optimum Car Wash (Click Here)
Optimum Car Wash (Click Here)
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- An outstanding shampoo that has great lubricity, plenty of suds, and gentle cleaners
- Works great as a maintenance shampoo to maximize the life of your sealant or wax
Product Description
Optimum Car Wash is a paint safe automotive shampoo that gives you a generous lather of suds with every wash. It will not strip off any wax or sealant but it will remove the dust, dirt, brake dust, bug smear and more from your paint. The sudsy lather breaks down road grime and helps you safely remove contaminants from your vehicle's exterior. This ultra concentrated shampoo is an extremely good value as well. One ounce is more than enough to create a generous later for an entire wash. Fill a bucket halfway with just water then add just one ounce of the Optimum Car Wash and add more water and you instantly notice the thick and rich suds piling up. While washing you'll also notice that the suds make the surface very slick which makes removing the contaminants much safer as well. It also smells great which makes it even more fun to use. Try the pH balanced and highly effective Optimum Car Wash today and you'll absolutely love the results!
- An outstanding shampoo that has great lubricity, plenty of suds, and gentle cleaners
- Works great as a maintenance shampoo to maximize the life of your sealant or wax
Product Description
Optimum Car Wash is a paint safe automotive shampoo that gives you a generous lather of suds with every wash. It will not strip off any wax or sealant but it will remove the dust, dirt, brake dust, bug smear and more from your paint. The sudsy lather breaks down road grime and helps you safely remove contaminants from your vehicle's exterior. This ultra concentrated shampoo is an extremely good value as well. One ounce is more than enough to create a generous later for an entire wash. Fill a bucket halfway with just water then add just one ounce of the Optimum Car Wash and add more water and you instantly notice the thick and rich suds piling up. While washing you'll also notice that the suds make the surface very slick which makes removing the contaminants much safer as well. It also smells great which makes it even more fun to use. Try the pH balanced and highly effective Optimum Car Wash today and you'll absolutely love the results!
11-25-13, 01:23 PM
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^You're very welcome 
^It is possible the OP could have been mixing the soap too strong.
Most products will list the exact dilution ratio to follow for best results. It is important to read the directions even on something as simple as a car wash soap. Most of these products are so heavily concentrated that they have the potential to degrade your protective layer (wax or sealant) if mixed significantly stronger than recommended.
There are also many other factors that could hinder beading.
Most products will list the exact dilution ratio to follow for best results. It is important to read the directions even on something as simple as a car wash soap. Most of these products are so heavily concentrated that they have the potential to degrade your protective layer (wax or sealant) if mixed significantly stronger than recommended.
There are also many other factors that could hinder beading.
11-27-13, 05:58 AM
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High surface tension is what results in water beading. Many factors can lead to the lowering of surface tension. Beading is not a reliable indicator of the presence of a wax or sealant.
Some causes of low surface tension are:
1. Hardness of the water supply
2. Improper dilution of the car wash detergent
3. Abrasiveness of the washing materials
4. Method of drying the vehicle (air blower, low pressure water sheeting, microfiber drying towels, cotton towels)
5. Amount of friction or rubbing of the surface
6. Condition of the original wax or sealant
One thing is certain, every time you wash the car, some of the wax or sealant is removed and surface tension is reduced. Some car wash soaps contain polymers and or carnaubas to promote increased surface tension. They are often called Wash and Wax products. I personally don't care for these wash and wax products but many do.
IMO, if you want to maintain the highest surface tension, wash after wash, I'd suggest using a gloss enhancer after the wash. I personally use Meguiar's D156 (a.k.a. Ultimate Quik Wax) after each wash. This replenishes the original wax or sealant and restores high surface tension resulting in profuse beading, making the paint very slick and greatly reduces the ability of dirt and road film to bond to the paint hence easier subsequent washing. These gloss enhancer products are wipe-on/wipe off so they add maybe 10 minutes to the wash time but leave the paint looking and feeling as it was just freshly waxed or sealed.
Some causes of low surface tension are:
1. Hardness of the water supply
2. Improper dilution of the car wash detergent
3. Abrasiveness of the washing materials
4. Method of drying the vehicle (air blower, low pressure water sheeting, microfiber drying towels, cotton towels)
5. Amount of friction or rubbing of the surface
6. Condition of the original wax or sealant
One thing is certain, every time you wash the car, some of the wax or sealant is removed and surface tension is reduced. Some car wash soaps contain polymers and or carnaubas to promote increased surface tension. They are often called Wash and Wax products. I personally don't care for these wash and wax products but many do.
IMO, if you want to maintain the highest surface tension, wash after wash, I'd suggest using a gloss enhancer after the wash. I personally use Meguiar's D156 (a.k.a. Ultimate Quik Wax) after each wash. This replenishes the original wax or sealant and restores high surface tension resulting in profuse beading, making the paint very slick and greatly reduces the ability of dirt and road film to bond to the paint hence easier subsequent washing. These gloss enhancer products are wipe-on/wipe off so they add maybe 10 minutes to the wash time but leave the paint looking and feeling as it was just freshly waxed or sealed.
11-27-13, 07:17 AM
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what Z posted... been using the OCW or ONR or ONRWW with OID after every wash now... amazing products by optimum. used Reload for a while, but after i clayed the car i started to use the OID and i must say i see better results. will be hitting her soon with OOS after a wash and see how that works out.
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High surface tension is what results in water beading. Many factors can lead to the lowering of surface tension. Beading is not a reliable indicator of the presence of a wax or sealant.
Some causes of low surface tension are:
1. Hardness of the water supply
2. Improper dilution of the car wash detergent
3. Abrasiveness of the washing materials
4. Method of drying the vehicle (air blower, low pressure water sheeting, microfiber drying towels, cotton towels)
5. Amount of friction or rubbing of the surface
6. Condition of the original wax or sealant
One thing is certain, every time you wash the car, some of the wax or sealant is removed and surface tension is reduced. Some car wash soaps contain polymers and or carnaubas to promote increased surface tension. They are often called Wash and Wax products. I personally don't care for these wash and wax products but many do.
IMO, if you want to maintain the highest surface tension, wash after wash, I'd suggest using a gloss enhancer after the wash. I personally use Meguiar's D156 (a.k.a. Ultimate Quik Wax) after each wash. This replenishes the original wax or sealant and restores high surface tension resulting in profuse beading, making the paint very slick and greatly reduces the ability of dirt and road film to bond to the paint hence easier subsequent washing. These gloss enhancer products are wipe-on/wipe off so they add maybe 10 minutes to the wash time but leave the paint looking and feeling as it was just freshly waxed or sealed.
Some causes of low surface tension are:
1. Hardness of the water supply
2. Improper dilution of the car wash detergent
3. Abrasiveness of the washing materials
4. Method of drying the vehicle (air blower, low pressure water sheeting, microfiber drying towels, cotton towels)
5. Amount of friction or rubbing of the surface
6. Condition of the original wax or sealant
One thing is certain, every time you wash the car, some of the wax or sealant is removed and surface tension is reduced. Some car wash soaps contain polymers and or carnaubas to promote increased surface tension. They are often called Wash and Wax products. I personally don't care for these wash and wax products but many do.
IMO, if you want to maintain the highest surface tension, wash after wash, I'd suggest using a gloss enhancer after the wash. I personally use Meguiar's D156 (a.k.a. Ultimate Quik Wax) after each wash. This replenishes the original wax or sealant and restores high surface tension resulting in profuse beading, making the paint very slick and greatly reduces the ability of dirt and road film to bond to the paint hence easier subsequent washing. These gloss enhancer products are wipe-on/wipe off so they add maybe 10 minutes to the wash time but leave the paint looking and feeling as it was just freshly waxed or sealed.
Also, the Ultimate Quik Wax- there's no need to wait for it to dry? I find that a little weird that you spray product onto the car and wipe off right away- it seems like your removing what you just applied.
12-06-13, 07:56 AM
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Hmm, I think I may be using too much of the detergent per bucket. I don't measure it out- just pour out directly into the bucket. I'll have to be more careful next time.
Also, the Ultimate Quik Wax- there's no need to wait for it to dry? I find that a little weird that you spray product onto the car and wipe off right away- it seems like your removing what you just applied.
Also, the Ultimate Quik Wax- there's no need to wait for it to dry? I find that a little weird that you spray product onto the car and wipe off right away- it seems like your removing what you just applied.
The fact of the matter is, that with either method, only a very thin layer of product is going to remain on the surface. Be sure to read your directions for each product, as it will make the product MUCH easier to work with.
If you have a WOWO wax, but you let it dry, chances are it is a real pain to remove... if you were to follow instructions and remove right away, it is simple.
Chemical Guys Pete's 53 Signature Paste Wax is a good example of this. You must apply to a small section, very thinly, and then wipe away before the product dries - when done in this manner the product is a pleasure to work with. If you allow it to dry, it is a big PITA.
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