328i vs. IS350
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Here's an interesting thread on e90post where a guy in a Ford pickup talks about how the 328i is "useless" to him (underpowered compared to its "class" competitors) and wishes the european 270 hp 330i was offered instead of the 328 (because he doesn't trust twin turbo reliability of the 335i)-
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274447
LOTS of heated responses. The vast vast majority of angry responses come from the people driving the 328is/325is.
I think it's somewhat telling, if they really didn't care about straight line power as much as they claim, I don't think they would show their frustration as much as they do.
Lots of class condescension d-baggery in general but still entertaining. Maybe you can extract some useful information out of that topic.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274447
LOTS of heated responses. The vast vast majority of angry responses come from the people driving the 328is/325is.
I think it's somewhat telling, if they really didn't care about straight line power as much as they claim, I don't think they would show their frustration as much as they do.
Lots of class condescension d-baggery in general but still entertaining. Maybe you can extract some useful information out of that topic.
I have read that forum before and it made me dumber. Its amazing how bad so many posts are it and its encouraged. Blame the mods, it starts from the top down.
Call me biased but CL offers the least biased internet car experience. Tons of people on here that own different cars and/or have experience with it. Also we won't let a flame fest continue or even start most times.
I have read that forum before and it made me dumber. Its amazing how bad so many posts are it and its encouraged. Blame the mods, it starts from the top down.
I have read that forum before and it made me dumber. Its amazing how bad so many posts are it and its encouraged. Blame the mods, it starts from the top down.
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finally glad they re-did the rear tail lights on the 3. i think the 3 is more handsome car and better lease value. IS just does not thing for me at all. I think I'll take ES over IS (b/c I'm family man).
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Call me biased but CL offers the least biased internet car experience. Tons of people on here that own different cars and/or have experience with it. Also we won't let a flame fest continue or even start most times.
I have read that forum before and it made me dumber. Its amazing how bad so many posts are it and its encouraged. Blame the mods, it starts from the top down.
I have read that forum before and it made me dumber. Its amazing how bad so many posts are it and its encouraged. Blame the mods, it starts from the top down.
I agree. Haha if you think e90post is "rough" you would be awe struck at endoftheinter.net (a private forum of which I am a part of). Total chaos. A single main board, thousands of users simultaneously active at any given time. At least one new post and/or topic per second. No rules.
I think it's rather interesting to be honest. It's interesting to see how people act when they are given free anonymous reign on the internet.
I'll tell you right away it's not pretty.
The funny thing is, there are private meetups all over the united states from users on this board, and things in person are vastly different. Once you meet people in person, your demeanor/attitude towards others changes. They become friends in real life, and then subsequently friends on the boards, forming little "cliques" that stick up for one another.
You start as anonymous enemies, you meet in real life and become friends, and you end as friends (in real life and by virtue of that, online as well).
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I agree. Haha if you think e90post is "rough" you would be awe struck at endoftheinter.net (a private forum of which I am a part of). Total chaos. A single main board, thousands of users simultaneously active at any given time. At least one new post and/or topic per second. No rules.
I think it's rather interesting to be honest. It's interesting to see how people act when they are given free anonymous reign on the internet.
I'll tell you right away it's not pretty.
The funny thing is, there are private meetups all over the united states from users on this board, and things in person are vastly different. Once you meet people in person, your demeanor/attitude towards others changes. They become friends in real life, and then subsequently friends on the boards, forming little "cliques" that stick up for one another.
You start as anonymous enemies, you meet in real life and become friends, and you end as friends (in real life and by virtue of that, online as well).
I think it's rather interesting to be honest. It's interesting to see how people act when they are given free anonymous reign on the internet.
I'll tell you right away it's not pretty.
The funny thing is, there are private meetups all over the united states from users on this board, and things in person are vastly different. Once you meet people in person, your demeanor/attitude towards others changes. They become friends in real life, and then subsequently friends on the boards, forming little "cliques" that stick up for one another.
You start as anonymous enemies, you meet in real life and become friends, and you end as friends (in real life and by virtue of that, online as well).
Not necessarily. While the IS350 sedan is much better than 328 sedan, at least in my opinion, the 328 is also available in coupe, convertible thats not a mess, and it has AWD and manual option though the entire range.
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Don't forget about the free maintenance on the BMW... add up how much a Lexus costs to keep running for 4 years and 50k miles at the dealer and it can quickly change the true price difference in the two cars.
After all of the above, if I was buying I'd STILL go with the IS350, but I'm just trying to provide both sides.
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Shouldnt you be comparing the IS250 with 328i they are easier to compare then the IS350. IS350 has almost 75 more horsepower and your saying the guy doesnt really care about straigh line speed. So a IS250 would be a better comparo then the IS350, right?
328i also rides smoother while offering handling arguably on par or better than the IS350 depending on if it has the sport package and what aspects of handling you value more than others (absolute grip vs composure and predictability, etc).
Don't forget about the free maintenance on the BMW... add up how much a Lexus costs to keep running for 4 years and 50k miles at the dealer and it can quickly change the true price difference in the two cars.
After all of the above, if I was buying I'd STILL go with the IS350, but I'm just trying to provide both sides.
Don't forget about the free maintenance on the BMW... add up how much a Lexus costs to keep running for 4 years and 50k miles at the dealer and it can quickly change the true price difference in the two cars.
After all of the above, if I was buying I'd STILL go with the IS350, but I'm just trying to provide both sides.
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I tend to agree but contrary to internet popular belief, most BMW owners (like most car buyers) are car inept. Free maintenance shows this and helps those people stay on track. We all know he majority of BMWs are leased and with free maintenance during the lease period, its a smart decision for those that are not gear heads but want a nice car. I totally understand the appeal.
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The choice of the 328 vs. IS350 should be made on other far more substantial criteria than that.
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Exactly, the dollars and cents or the economics of the free maintenance (during the warranty period) is not enough to make or break the deal. On the Lexus there is only one major service in that period at 30K miles, averaging $500 at the dealer.
The choice of the 328 vs. IS350 should be made on other far more substantial criteria than that.
The choice of the 328 vs. IS350 should be made on other far more substantial criteria than that.
I consider all factors when car shopping. A smart shopper would also consider finance rates if they plan to finance, expected depreciation, expected repair costs, fuel economy, insurance rates, etc.
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I can't stand the average person on any of the BMW forums. Completely biased about BMW and about 50% of them are just d-bags in general. Most of them can't admit that there might be a single flaw with any BMW (or German in general) car. If there's a problem with the design of your car, it's not the car's/BMW's fault, it's the fault of your stupid opinion or preference or expectation.
With regards to BMW boards, maybe it is the 3-series boards that are immature? I can say that bimmerfest (in the 5-series/M5 area) and e60 do not seem to fit your description.
I don't want to start a board war here (pretty sure that is against the rules), but like I said, maybe there is a different Club Lexus board?
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I think that you guys must be on a different Club Lexus site the the one I've been visiting. I would say this board is just as biased as any other board out there.
With regards to BMW boards, maybe it is the 3-series boards that are immature? I can say that bimmerfest (in the 5-series/M5 area) and e60 do not seem to fit your description.
I don't want to start a board war here (pretty sure that is against the rules), but like I said, maybe there is a different Club Lexus board?
With regards to BMW boards, maybe it is the 3-series boards that are immature? I can say that bimmerfest (in the 5-series/M5 area) and e60 do not seem to fit your description.
I don't want to start a board war here (pretty sure that is against the rules), but like I said, maybe there is a different Club Lexus board?
Based on my limited experience in the Bimmerfest and other BMW forums' 3-series forums, there's far more bias and general douchebaggery over there. So many people out there can't accept even the possibility that BMW might have flaws in their vehicles.
But you are right, my experience on those BMW forums is 90% limited to the 3-series area. My experience on CL is 90% limited to car chat, so maybe that's the difference. Maybe if I went to the BMW forums' equivalent to car chat (if they have one) and compared it to the IS forum here, then I'd have the opposite point of view. I can definitely see that happening.