GS 300's vs. M35's - Infiniti's $ Edge
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Originally Posted by biker
I will be in the market for a vehicle in the near future.
It's obvious since day one you had no intention of buying a new GS. 
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Sorry biker, you are wrong here. Even with a slow selling GS (before replacement) and IS, Lexus outsells Infiniti RWD sedans.
G+M+Q just over 3400 sales
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Originally Posted by flipside909
I figured you would answer with something of that nature. It's obvious since day one you had no intention of buying a new GS.
It's obvious since day one you had no intention of buying a new GS.
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Originally Posted by biker
Depends on when day one is. 6 months ago when my needs were different and the details of the GS were not known I was considering the GS. Two months ago when my needs changed and details of the GS came out, the chances of me getting a GS diminished considerably.
Unless you have something pertinent to add to this thread i'm sure you would do the community a favor by sharing positive info rather than incriminating.
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I must thank flip for allowing me to pad my post count in this thread and will take my negativity to the next thread. 
BTW, I'm no diesel lover - I just pointed out it's a very good alternative to hybrids if milage is a factor.
BTW, I'm no diesel lover - I just pointed out it's a very good alternative to hybrids if milage is a factor.
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Diesels have improved
There is a case to be made for diesels but there are also offsetting negatives. Recent diesels have had excellent performance and quieter idle. They smoke a little. They give off Dioxin which is not a good thing. Diesel fuel is expensive. Americans are diesel challenged and habit is the strongest thing in the universe. (A. Einstein) Europeans who are more frugal about fuel consumption like diesels a lot. Different culture. There is probably very little left of the Black Forest because of emissions and acid rain diesels not withstanding. When I worked for Mercedes we had a diesel loaner car. It died one day after being returned with a full tank of gasoline. Biker, what are your needs and wants? I'm intrigued.
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Originally Posted by Rockville
Biker, what are your needs and wants? I'm intrigued.
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IS250 is the volume hope for Lexus
Biker, that is totally rational which is rare these days. The current IS300 stick is a very nice driving car. Many of my dealer associates drive them. I expect a much more mature interior that is Lexus like in quality and not shiny plastic on the new generation. They do have to figure a way to make it less expensive and an entry level model however. Do you like RWD or AWD? The RWD will be available here in the States as a manual. Inorder to stay on topic, what type of presence does Infiniti have over where you are? And where is that by the way? I wish I could be in Geneva when the new IS250/350 is introduced. Sick put some spy photos up which made me even more confident that it would be well received here and abroad. Thanks for your perspective in Euroland.
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Originally Posted by Rockville
Biker, that is totally rational which is rare these days. The current IS300 stick is a very nice driving car. Many of my dealer associates drive them. I expect a much more mature interior that is Lexus like in quality and not shiny plastic on the new generation. They do have to figure a way to make it less expensive and an entry level model however. Do you like RWD or AWD? The RWD will be available here in the States as a manual. Inorder to stay on topic, what type of presence does Infiniti have over where you are? And where is that by the way? I wish I could be in Geneva when the new IS250/350 is introduced. Sick put some spy photos up which made me even more confident that it would be well received here and abroad. Thanks for your perspective in Euroland.
"Truth is that Lexus does not care nor it needs to care about lower end of the market. Thats why Lexus can do what they do - offer more equipment and more of an car for... more! In fact, Lexus could have easily offered base GS as well, as an standard choice and in that case, M35 would be actually only slightly cheaper and still have less equipment and features. But they dont care about getting maximum sales at any cost."
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Reason for the IS250
Originally Posted by dseag2
So, doesn't that contradict the earlier theory by spwolf?...
"Truth is that Lexus does not care nor it needs to care about lower end of the market. Thats why Lexus can do what they do - offer more equipment and more of an car for... more! In fact, Lexus could have easily offered base GS as well, as an standard choice and in that case, M35 would be actually only slightly cheaper and still have less equipment and features. But they dont care about getting maximum sales at any cost."
"Truth is that Lexus does not care nor it needs to care about lower end of the market. Thats why Lexus can do what they do - offer more equipment and more of an car for... more! In fact, Lexus could have easily offered base GS as well, as an standard choice and in that case, M35 would be actually only slightly cheaper and still have less equipment and features. But they dont care about getting maximum sales at any cost."
Last edited by Rockville; Feb 23, 2005 at 09:34 AM.
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