AWD guys wanting coilovers, please read
03-16-09, 08:22 AM
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Nardeezy,
I'm sure that everything will be fine once the stock suspension is sent in for R&D. As far as your second post, from the little research I have had the time to do, BC Racing is not a huge company like Tein, HKS, Tanabe, etc.. However, you do need to consider the fact not many people are stepping up to the plate as far as making a coilover for the GS. Secondly, since I have joined this forum and searched suspension posts, all I have heard is people complaining about not having options and thinking about trading their vehicles in due to the fact that suspension is not available. I am not trying to bash people here to include you but, the price being quoted is average in cost and from the specs being shown, a lot better than most other options even for cars that coilovers are already available for.
Consider the fact that I paid $2k for my NSX coilovers and $5k for a set of motorsport coilovers for a previous Audi I had. All I am trying to say is, be happy that someone is willing to try and make this happen for us instead of questioning business techniques. I mean, how many sets of springs do you think Tein and Tanabe have sold? I'm more than willing to bet the amount of profit made from either company selling the springs has offset the cost of R&D for them as well as giving away a couple of springs for their test mules. Now take into consideration that four (4) out of XXXX AWD owners have stepped up and shown interest in being the test mules for this. Why would they offer us anything with the chance of these four (4) sets being the only ones? Realistically you could say that other people may be be waiting till this is done and we have evaluated the coilovers and have reported on them here. Even in that case, remember that four (4) people have shown interest and are taking the plunge to make this happen. Sorry bro for the long winded response and please remember that I am not even remotely trying to bash you or anyone else. I'm just being honest.
I'm sure that everything will be fine once the stock suspension is sent in for R&D. As far as your second post, from the little research I have had the time to do, BC Racing is not a huge company like Tein, HKS, Tanabe, etc.. However, you do need to consider the fact not many people are stepping up to the plate as far as making a coilover for the GS. Secondly, since I have joined this forum and searched suspension posts, all I have heard is people complaining about not having options and thinking about trading their vehicles in due to the fact that suspension is not available. I am not trying to bash people here to include you but, the price being quoted is average in cost and from the specs being shown, a lot better than most other options even for cars that coilovers are already available for.
Consider the fact that I paid $2k for my NSX coilovers and $5k for a set of motorsport coilovers for a previous Audi I had. All I am trying to say is, be happy that someone is willing to try and make this happen for us instead of questioning business techniques. I mean, how many sets of springs do you think Tein and Tanabe have sold? I'm more than willing to bet the amount of profit made from either company selling the springs has offset the cost of R&D for them as well as giving away a couple of springs for their test mules. Now take into consideration that four (4) out of XXXX AWD owners have stepped up and shown interest in being the test mules for this. Why would they offer us anything with the chance of these four (4) sets being the only ones? Realistically you could say that other people may be be waiting till this is done and we have evaluated the coilovers and have reported on them here. Even in that case, remember that four (4) people have shown interest and are taking the plunge to make this happen. Sorry bro for the long winded response and please remember that I am not even remotely trying to bash you or anyone else. I'm just being honest.
Being that IS AWD coilovers are available, I do have some level of confidence that they can pull it off. However, there may be something designed differently with the GS AWD in which it will cost significantly more than $1200 for a released production set?
Given the fact that folks in this forum will be involved with the development of the product, my main question is will the "front shock absorber lower bracket" be included with the coilover kit? In my mind, I think this has been the biggest challenge for any aftermarket suspension manufacturer. The only reason the AWD has that bracket is to accommodate the front axles. Instead of obtaining the suspension components only for R&D prototyping, I would assume that they would borrow someones "stock" vehicle for a few days. Unless they already planned to pay for GS AWD suspension components, who's going to give them the parts only?
If those images you posted are for the IS AWD, I assume that the "front shock absorber lower bracket" is a bolt on from the car because I don't see it in the images (assuming that the IS has a similarly designed front shock absorber than the GS)?
If this all works out, I will highly consider BC coilovers when it comes time to replace my stock shocks.
Keep in mind, I'm just asking questions, not trying to deter or discourage anyone. I think that the AWD owners interested in immediately getting the coilovers should be asking more questions.
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03-16-09, 09:00 AM
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You re-use the lower mounting bracket on the AWD IS250 kit, so it will most likely be the same way on the AWD GS.
The first person to send us the stock suspension does in fact get a significant discount on the coilovers set we provide. They will also have the opportunity to test out the first prototype kit if they are able to.
CMS/BC just needs to make sure we can sell at least a few initial kits to cover the cost of production. A lot of people wanted to get the AWD IS250 kits into production but when it comes time to purchase they kind of disappear. People like having the option but it doesn't always mean they will buy when available.
We do like to bring out kits that haven't been targted by other companies. We try listening to what enthusiastas need.
The first person to send us the stock suspension does in fact get a significant discount on the coilovers set we provide. They will also have the opportunity to test out the first prototype kit if they are able to.
CMS/BC just needs to make sure we can sell at least a few initial kits to cover the cost of production. A lot of people wanted to get the AWD IS250 kits into production but when it comes time to purchase they kind of disappear. People like having the option but it doesn't always mean they will buy when available.
We do like to bring out kits that haven't been targted by other companies. We try listening to what enthusiastas need.
03-16-09, 09:14 AM
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You re-use the lower mounting bracket on the AWD IS250 kit, so it will most likely be the same way on the AWD GS.
The first person to send us the stock suspension does in fact get a significant discount on the coilovers set we provide. They will also have the opportunity to test out the first prototype kit if they are able to.
CMS/BC just needs to make sure we can sell at least a few initial kits to cover the cost of production. A lot of people wanted to get the AWD IS250 kits into production but when it comes time to purchase they kind of disappear. People like having the option but it doesn't always mean they will buy when available.
We do like to bring out kits that haven't been targted by other companies. We try listening to what enthusiastas need.
The first person to send us the stock suspension does in fact get a significant discount on the coilovers set we provide. They will also have the opportunity to test out the first prototype kit if they are able to.
CMS/BC just needs to make sure we can sell at least a few initial kits to cover the cost of production. A lot of people wanted to get the AWD IS250 kits into production but when it comes time to purchase they kind of disappear. People like having the option but it doesn't always mean they will buy when available.
We do like to bring out kits that haven't been targted by other companies. We try listening to what enthusiastas need.
03-16-09, 09:16 AM
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03-16-09, 12:59 PM
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so how much will these actually lower the car? i haven't seen any numbers mentioned. keeping in mind I really know very little about suspensions. seems like you would want the front lowered more than the back.
also, from some prior posts...would having staggered wheels on a AWD GS be a bad thing? (other than not being able to rotate anymore) Assuming you stay within a minor % of spec wheel/tire dimensions.
also, from some prior posts...would having staggered wheels on a AWD GS be a bad thing? (other than not being able to rotate anymore) Assuming you stay within a minor % of spec wheel/tire dimensions.
03-17-09, 08:00 AM
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Wow, people need to definitely jump on this but im very surprised people are not. This is a great a opportunity for the awd owners to have a coilover system so this shouldnt be passed up. Who knows when another chance like this may come up, theres pretty much nothing to lose except 45 days of waiting As far as the ride height adjustability, it looks like it should be able to go all the way down to the ground, since the design looks very similar to other coilovers....
As far as the ride height adjustability, it looks like it should be able to go all the way down to the ground, since the design looks very similar to other coilovers....