See, again there is a reading comprehension problem. You already misread one of my posts, now you did it again. Nowhere did i say you were using radio shack led's. Nowhere. PLEASE read the post thoroughly.

In reality, I think you misread the post again. I know what he is talking about and you do not. You are not helping here. He has only seen the three bulbs that light the buttons, but doesn't know there are 6 bulbs so please let me help him and stay out of it if you are just going to argue.

Nothing wrong with hope and prayer i guess Good luck.

 

haha, hope and prayer, why do you think you're the only one that can put LEDs in gauges? this isn't rocket science. are you scared i'll get more business than you since i can do these with needles for less than a third of what you charge? don't be bitting when other people can do what you do, its not cool.

oh, and theres really only 1 way to read this statement from you:
"You wanna use cheap LED's that's your business."

 

The prices LLS carries are a tad expensive especially if you want everything done it wil run you a good $300 but he does make quality products, and beautifull ones, plus they are a hell of alot cheaper then getting it from the dealer, but TWISTED all you are talking about s how it "CAN" be done, how about when you complete your product , then you should bring up the price issue once your magic cluster and ac unit fall below the $50 mark, remmember kid "You get what you pay for"

 

Twisted please don't be childish. I'm merely trying to help someone stubborn that doesn't want to listen. You won't be getting any "business" because you are not a vendor, but more importantly because LLS patented everything.

I see you are not willing to let me give you some input and help on the situation, so we'll just agree to disagree.

 

you know i have read this whole post and i have come to a conclusion.














i love bacon

 

Give me some! I LOVE bacon also. Gotta have it with Maxwell House coffee. MMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm I'm hungry.

 

once again, you know nothing about the quality of mine and my friends work. you are not the only person in the world that can put LEDs behind a lexus cluster, so don't think you are. i was never attacking or talking bad about you, but if you want to start a b*itch fit, fine. don't cry cuz someone else can do what you do for a fraction of the cost. and the PMs i am getting every 10 min show how much business i will get. and the "you get what you pay for" comment is kinda brainwashed, cuz i WILL have high quality clusters, but i won't charge 200 dollars for a couple LEDs that cost under a dollar a piece. the end product will prove itself, thats all i have to say.

 

incase you missed this beforehand..........

Yes,......... yes we are More importantly I'm proud to say we don't use 50 cent led's.

 

so if anyone else puts LEDs behind a gauge cluster, what do you think you can do about it? just curious, not like its going to stop me.

 

hey Twisted, i'm with you on this one. I have seen the "quality" of what OLT Or LLS one man show does to clusters in my area. I have been sitting here quietly watching him close threads, and and im really tired of his smart a$$ comments. Any and EVERY comment regarding LLS is closed if someone even tries to post up their comments.

Let me get this in the OPEN. I AM NOT making personal attacks. (DavesGS4) This is a response just to let everyone know there are alternatives out there.

And yes, it's true you can do this for a fraction of the cost. One member did his cluster, dash, climate control, etc etc. using HIGH quality LED's. NOT crap at all, and the quality of the job is much better than sending it out. IMO. Just takes time.

We should have a Vendor feedback forum, which the mods CANNOT close. I've seen this done before. Conflict of interest if you have a moderator and a vendor under one title.

Also, LLS, why don't you tell everyone the truth about your products. Yes, you may have many happy customers, but why don't you tell them about all the ones that get sent back to you for repair? For example.... the needle not lighting up, or the "foil" on the back of the needle falling off.

I'll stop for now. Oh, my FLAME SUIT is on, so rip away at my comments.

 

first off, i want to state this was never meant to attack LLS, or say their work is junk, cuz quite frankly, i don't know if it is or isn't.

but 200 bucks for how many LEDs? humor me how theres no labor charge.

and i agree, that this guy seems to think he is somewhat godly cuz he can solder, and do simple electronics, lol. and how you patented this, i don't know, but either way, it doesn't really mean much. my LEDs are not junk quality, i have an account with them and they sell them to me for cost. originally around 4 or 5 dollars per LED, i get them for 1.00. (white). now it would make sense that if you own a business revolving around LEDs, wouldn't you have an account with someone? hmm, or do you charge FULL price for LEDs when you pay cost? which leads me to another fun fact. RED LEDs, are actually much cheaper than lets say white or blue, so, how come its still 200 bucks for 32 red, when its 200 bucks for 32 white?

please don't make this something its not. i was giving an alternative, and when you saw that easy 30 bucks slip out of your hands, you decided to cry. 30 bucks, 3 LEDs? wow, i'd do it for 5 bucks.

lets stop, this is enough humor for 1 day.

 

Of course things get repaired. Show me a bullet proof product. Especially in the electronics world.

In over 500 units in a 2 year span I've seen 7 needles die. Those are pretty good odds my friend. We blow through 2,000 led's per month x 12 months x 2 years and 7 needles have died.

We've never had any backing just "fall off" of any needle ever. I've seen two instances where there was shipping damage to the cluster and the needle either came loose in the case and flapped aorund smacking everything in the cluster........twice, then having damage to the backing. I've also seen clusters literally crushed........ and ofcourse the needles are damaged. I've had a total of 8 clusters damaged in shipping out of 500 in 2 years.

The odds are definately not against us, and certainly not controllable by us.

You asked what happens to those that experience failure.....

1- we are contacted by the buyer.

2- we setup a return to us for repair

3- we repair and resend the unit giving it priority over whatever is in the shop since it is not "in line"

4- unit is returned to customer.

LLS has always repaired anything sent to us, and never turned anyone away. We give ONLY Club Lexus members a lifetime warranty on the work. This means we don't care if you contact us 10 years from now, we'll fix it... free.


I don't expect everyone in the world to be pleased. "you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time". Carson Toyota is easily Club Lexus supreme devine vendor. They are awsome and do excellent CS and products for unbelieveable prices. Hit the search button and you'll find a small handful of threads with complaints for one reason or another. Even the best vendors out there have had something go wrong. The reason you don't see bad threads about us is because we simply don't have them. We always repair anything that could go wrong with the unit free. We always respond, and we always handle it.... that's all any vendor can do.

I think there have been a total of 3 clusters that have came in (out of 500) that i simply could not get hammered out. These are electronic devices, not plastic apples. Some things are simply not something we can work on. there are 45 parts that make up the circut in illumination on an SC cluster......... we work on 1. The 1 that is 98% of the time the failing problem. there's always going to be that 2% of clusters that have more bugs in them than anyone can fix. These are 15 years old, yes?

 

Are you talking about Jose? Both Jose and Tryke (canada) built their own led vehicles. You know what? Both have been actively involved with the ice blue thread that is over 1,000 posts of information on how to take your cluster, climate, and radio apart and get in there and do it.

Both Jared (tryke) and Jose (cleansc) stay in touch with me through PM and both have my utmost respect for a job well done. Why do you think I made a 1,000 post long thread on how to get into your units?

Have I not provided all the information possible to DIY in that huge thread? Have I not provided DIY info for not only the sc forum in that thread, but this: https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=117019

I even jumped forums to teach everyone how to do it on other models also. Do you know what is the most popular Lexus on the road today? It's the IS model. Do you know how many of them there are out there? A WHOOOOOLLLLLLLLEEEEE LOT. DO you know what i did when i made that thread for everyone? I gave it all away.

I gave it all away AutoCoutureSC. LIke i gave it all away when i started that thread 2 years ago with pictures of how to go into every crack and crevace of the cluster, radio, and climate unit.

If I hadn't spent all these years here posting pics, writing writeups, making sure you guy's know every inch of your cluster, then having it stickied to the top of the forum for everyone to see, you could say i was greedy. You could say I was here for myself. You could say i want to make a buck.

AutoCoutureSC, I am here because not everyone can do this. I am here because i spent years in school getting an EE and when i finished i did something with it. I remapped the voltage in the clusters, I designed the first ever led replacements for the Lexus needles, backlight, climates, and radio. These are my designs. My babies. I put in the work and made them. I also went through the painstaking task of applying through Nippendenso, Toyota, and the USTPO for a utility patent because I designed this.

I have taken many falls and sleepless nights over these units to make them as good as they can be. In two years i have changed the design 4 times total. There is noone in the United States that has as much experience as I do working on these and designing them for the best possible result.

I only did it for one reason....... most people can't. The response was so overwhelming I had to end up doing it full time to keep up with everyone. Now it's all I do, and you are right, I AM going to protect both it and myself. I did this, all of this. I designed it, i was the first to build it, I was the first to offer it to everyone that couldn't do it for themselves. I created all this.... and I patented my creation because it's mine. Hell, I altered my life for it for god's sake. This is my full time job, and rightfully it should be. Don't think for a moment I haven't sent out letters to cali on someone who tried to profit from my design, I certainly did. I sent a federally signed document directly from the USTPO (who handle overseeing copyright infringement). If you invent a better wheel tommorrow, what will you do? I bet you'll protect it and not let some busy body in a firm somewhere make money off your hard work.

The 14 volt climate units are a very special design. I spent less time on them since there is less involved, but I still designed them. Did you know that the Climate bulbs from lexus are $47.50 total with tax? Did you know that they are subject to voltage spikes from the turn signals? Every seen your climate unit go slightly dimmer and back bright with the turn signals on? That's a voltage spike. Bulb filament does not like that. What about a 14 volt bulb that has a higher tolerance than the 8.5 volt lexus bulbs....would that stop them from burning out? Yes, indeed it would. Guess who designed the 14 volt circut and eliminated climate bulb failure?

I've put my life into this AutoCoutureSC, and I take every single unit as seriously as if it were my own. Provided the cluster is not one of which 15 years of hard work and weather has done damage beyond my control........ I'll get it working again and I'll always be willing to try until I do.

 

aw crap. Now all eyes are on me!!!

anyhow, i'm not saying you have to build a bullet proof product, by all means No. But when you or everyone else starts to say, "you get what you pay for" it gets very very annoying because no one knows about all the mishaps. Do they know about other members on the SC boards sending in their units 3, sometimes even 4 times to get their cluster done? Notice I did not even say done right, because there's still something that is wrong with the unit after completion. You can't blame shipping companies all the time. I know of at least 3 here in so cal, and 3 on the east coast having to send in their units more than once. It gets annoying for them because they actually DO drive their car everyday, and it's an inconvenience for them to take it apart, send it in, and get it back, having to repeat the process over and over.

I'm not saying that you don't fix your the bad products, you do fix them, but don't say "you get what you pay for" or "we only use quality products" blah blah blah. AND please don't tell me the FOIL that was SPRAY painted black is a quality product.

Hm.... I seem to recall this thread....
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...hlight=lextech

Also, I receive PM's about how you delete members posts when they say ANYTHING bad about your business. LLS may not be a moderator with powers to delete a thread, or close one, but I'm pretty sure OLT is. Last time I checked, the two entities are the same person, NO? Conflict of interest... I THINK SO!!! You don't see Steve Ganz deleting his few threads or posts about Carson. Or what about Leatherseats.com? You don't see them deleting anything that would hurt their business.

Also, im not talking about Jose or Tyrk. I know what they have done and what not. I know how people seem to think of you as a "savior" to this community by offering your products. Yes, more power to you, BUT, I was refering to a local member who has done his own work, and his own research to his his car done. He doesn't post up here on CL, just like many MANY veteran members becuase they see the direction this forum is heading. NOT GOOD.

Im not doubting your skills, or your job, or anything like that. I just want to keep CL informed. Hey, if that's your income, more power to you. Don't abuse your moderator status for the benefit of your business. I've seen it first hand on these forums. And you can't single me out...... im not the only one.

 

Twisted, I'm going to say this once. I'm SO over this conversation, but I don't like leaving things hanging when i think i can break through, or make a break through, in letting there be light.......... literally.

I don't charge labor because i can't. Period.

Tech Labor- $45 to $65 per hour ANYWHERE in the united States.

Time spent on one cluster with "32" backlight and needles- 3 days.
Time per day - 3.5 hours per cluster.
Clusters worked per day - 3 clusters.

Time it takes to build one the proper way as designed from start to finish with all prep included - 17 hours.

17
x
$55
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$935 + parts

Time spent building custom resistor packs - 2 minutes per pack.
Packs in a "32" and needles cluster - 38 packs
*custom resistor packs include two different resistors combined to form a perfect resistance to absorb voltage spikes and maintain proper voltage. After cutting and soldering, they are shrink wrapped for safety to avoid shorts.

Time spent prepping LEDs for a "32" and needles - 6 minutes per led
*prep involves cutting, forming, and soldering of resistor packs to led's, forming of the now "package" for fittment into the unit.

Sure, I could stick a single resistor to an led and plug it in there, how long you think it'll last on improper voltage and how safe would it be with no insulation? I warranty for LIFE. I try not to have to see them again if i can help it- barring defective led's.

SO, if you'd like a cluster built on labor, please send $1,358.65 along with your cluster to LLS and we'll have that back in 3 to 5 days

Backyard DIY guy's don't charge much labor because they traditionally don't do much. Shove it, solder it, and send it back. They don't shrink wrap to avoid shorts they certainly don't build custom resistor packs. It is indeed true that you get what you pay for.