seanmwple

Is this a joke?? Labor.... putting a disc or usb into a slot and waiting 1 hr for the maps to update is considered labor?

I hate lexus more each time I come to a dealership and they try to gape my ***.

sidebar... it’s 2019 and a lot of Lexus models still are only 21/28ish on gas mileage? I refuse to believe that these companies haven’t figured out technology to get better gas mileage. It’s all a scam because of oil and politics.

sideswipe

CLASSIC!

but yes, thats what the dealer does, charged 1 hr labor to cut my key smh

2013FSport

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Some Toyata shops will do it. They quoted me $200 and mines USB, they just need to give it some pass key.
Worth asking....

flowrider

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seanmwple - wake up on the wrong side of the bed

Lou

mike33

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No scam, just companies using the laws of supply and demand. Lexus makes a model for those who want better gas mileage, the 2019 ES300h, it gets 40/39 mpg
which is really good when you consider its curb weight of 3700lbs and the fact that Lexus is primarily a luxury car division.

Now consider the non luxury brand equivalent 2019 Toyota Camry hybrid at 51/53 mpg w/208hp...
Compare that to a 2009 Toyota Camry at 21/31 w/158hp.

So technology is working in the consumers favor, but the consumer has to make choices that fit their needs. There has never been a better time for
the consumer in the automotive market, whether the consumer wants; hp, mpg, luxury, utility or some combination to suit their needs.

Bichon

It does even better than that. The 2019 ES300h gets 43 city, 45 highway, 44 combined. (you quoted the numbers for the previous generation model)

The 2019 ES350 is the luxury equivalent of the Toyota Avalon, not the Camry, athough all three are built on the same architecture. Both the ES and Avalon have 113" wheelbases and are 160" long. The Avalon Hybrid offers mileage just shy of the ES300h at 43 city, 44 highway, 44 combined.

Agreed. (except for people who like to drive a stick, where their choices of available models keeps shrinking )

mike33

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Bichon, thank you for the corrections... Demand and technology are working against those who prefer a stick, the
automatics have become so good that people no longer demand a stick. In the past a stick may have had adavntages
in mpg and acceleration, that is no longer the case. Sometimes progress leaves something desirable behind and
creates a collectable market, manual cars from the 90s or 2000s may become the ''muscle car'' equivalent in the
future collector world.

jayclapp

Most of the population lives in a metropolitan area and spend most of their driving on congested streets. Who in the world wants to have a stick shift under those circumstances? Younger kids don't even know how to drive a stick shift. They put the gear in neutral and coast to a stop light, loosing control of the car the minute they do that. The new multi-gear transmissions even give better drag performance that a stick.

flowrider

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Me Although it's become less of a lust as transmissions have improved. I have't owned a manual since 2011 when I traded in truck. Even though an automatic may do the job better, I miss the involvement

Lou

seanmwple

False. I quoted the current model specs. 2019 IS 300 gets 21/30. 2019 IS 350 gets 20/28

Bichon

My response was to mike33, whose post I quoted. He stated that the '19 ES300h gets 40/39, the rating for the '18. I responded that the '19 gets 43/45. I never said anything about the IS. His point, and I agree, is that Lexus makes a sedan for people who prioritize fuel economy over performance; the Lexus IS is not that sedan.