The car you most regret selling
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Skidpad figures:
LS400: 0.81G ~ 62.6 MPH Slalom
LS430: 0.73G ~ 61.0 MPH Slalom
LS460: 0.82G ~ 63.0 MPH Slalom
Point is, the LS430 is a significantly sloppier handling car than the LS400 or LS460 without being a significantly harder riding car, which all in all is why I feel its the least satisfying LS to drive.
Last edited by SW17LS; Oct 16, 2017 at 06:52 PM.
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Skidpad figures:
LS400: 0.81G ~ 62.6 MPH Slalom
LS430: 0.73G ~ 61.0 MPH Slalom
LS460: 0.82G ~ 63.0 MPH Slalom
Point is, the LS430 is a significantly sloppier handling car than the LS400 or LS460 without being a significantly harder riding car, which all in all is why I feel its the least satisfying LS to drive.
LS400: 0.81G ~ 62.6 MPH Slalom
LS430: 0.73G ~ 61.0 MPH Slalom
LS460: 0.82G ~ 63.0 MPH Slalom
Point is, the LS430 is a significantly sloppier handling car than the LS400 or LS460 without being a significantly harder riding car, which all in all is why I feel its the least satisfying LS to drive.
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Gets back to what I said earlier......most LS drivers probably won't care about skidpad figures. Also, the type and brand of tires used in the tests can make a difference. Later LS models, of course, handling-wise, also have the advantage of the AWD and F-Sport suspension options.
Its not about the skidpad number, its about what it represents. Its not just an arbitrary number somebody brags about, its a result of the suspension tuning of the car. While LS drivers don't care about the skidpad number, they DO care about the way the car feels and drives...which is impacted by the same suspension tuning that causes the skidpad result.And tires don't make a .8G difference unless one car has snow tires.
The skidpad and slalom numbers I posted above are a RWD non F Sport LS460. The point is to illustrate the similarity of the LS400 (the original LS) and the LS460 in those tests, and the significant departure with the LS430.
But we are off topic here. So, while I miss the LS400 at times, I don't regret getting rid of it.
Last edited by SW17LS; Oct 16, 2017 at 07:13 PM.
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Not talking about build quality, talking about ride. My point is the LS was never a "ride before everything else" car. They made it that way with the 430, but they came back from that in the 460 and now in the 500. The 400 is the original LS, and the archetype for what the LS is meant to be.
Its not about the skidpad number, its about what it represents. Its not just an arbitrary number somebody brags about, its a result of the suspension tuning of the car. While LS drivers don't care about the skidpad number, they DO care about the way the car feels and drives...which is impacted by the same suspension tuning that causes the skidpad result.
And tires don't make a .8G difference unless one car has snow tires.
The skidpad and slalom numbers I posted above are a RWD non F Sport LS460. The point is to illustrate the similarity of the LS400 (the original LS) and the LS460 in those tests, and the significant departure with the LS430.
Its not about the skidpad number, its about what it represents. Its not just an arbitrary number somebody brags about, its a result of the suspension tuning of the car. While LS drivers don't care about the skidpad number, they DO care about the way the car feels and drives...which is impacted by the same suspension tuning that causes the skidpad result.And tires don't make a .8G difference unless one car has snow tires.
The skidpad and slalom numbers I posted above are a RWD non F Sport LS460. The point is to illustrate the similarity of the LS400 (the original LS) and the LS460 in those tests, and the significant departure with the LS430.
OK...as far as I'm concerned, let's drop it. No sense going on and on. Let some other posters get a word in the thread, on the cars they miss the most. I suppose, for at least some of us, in ten or fifteen years, we'll be looking back on cars we actually drove ourselves LOL.
W208 Mercedes I had was perfect. Sold it at 100k miles on the dot. Traded in at 99,999 for an IS300. Told the salesman it was under 100k and he had to value it as such.
My silver, supercharged 02 corvette z06 was sold about 8 months ago and ive never fully gotten over it yet.
I sold my first corvette about 2 years ago, a black 2000 FRC and felt nothing but relief and joy when it was gone, I figired id feel the same after the second one but I don't
I sold my first corvette about 2 years ago, a black 2000 FRC and felt nothing but relief and joy when it was gone, I figired id feel the same after the second one but I don't
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I also kind of regret selling my 1999 Z28 Camaro. I mean it looked the business in very dark navy blue. It was also stupid fast, lots of torque, if you were an inexperienced driver, mashing the throttle at the wrong time would send you into a spin. The LS1 V8, with a couple of bolt ons, automatic transmission, it made 305 rwhp/340 lb-ft rwtq. Car was rated at 305hp at the crank, so you know that factory hp rating was nonsense.
I also kind of regret selling my 1999 Z28 Camaro. I mean it looked the business in very dark navy blue. It was also stupid fast, lots of torque, if you were an inexperienced driver, mashing the throttle at the wrong time would send you into a spin. The LS1 V8, with a couple of bolt ons, automatic transmission, it made 305 rwhp/340 lb-ft rwtq. Car was rated at 305hp at the crank, so you know that factory hp rating was nonsense.
Corvette drivetrain , bigger body , updated looks, I think they are a good buy
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It also reflects the average age of CL's Car Chat participants. Lexus, Buick folks are in their "Golden Age".
But we often find ourselves selling cars because maybe that car became "difficult" and we didn't want to deal with its issues. Then, years later we found out that it was a great car.
My personal guilt list, which will also age me to a certain extent. No original pics so these are web pics.
1970's era big block Pontiac Gran Prix. Yikes, what a beast! Yep, also a problematic car but a fun car too. 400 big block smogged up motor, but a heck of a lot of get up and go. Nice personality, brutish. I had the beautiful olive green.
But we often find ourselves selling cars because maybe that car became "difficult" and we didn't want to deal with its issues. Then, years later we found out that it was a great car.
My personal guilt list, which will also age me to a certain extent. No original pics so these are web pics.
1970's era big block Pontiac Gran Prix. Yikes, what a beast! Yep, also a problematic car but a fun car too. 400 big block smogged up motor, but a heck of a lot of get up and go. Nice personality, brutish. I had the beautiful olive green.
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I have had two that I regret selling. One was a 1979 Corvette that I owned until until 1986 (I got married and didn't need the bait anymore). Installed a headphone jack and enjoyed tooling down the interstate with T tops off and headphones on.
Also, before that I owned a 1972 Grand Prix like pictured above. Mine was the equivalent color to british racing green with a tan interior. As stated above, the car would flat move, and back then the speed limit was 75 so everybody drove 80-90 mph on the interstate. Ordered it with a factory installed 8 Track that was mounted facing the front on hump in back floor.
Also, before that I owned a 1972 Grand Prix like pictured above. Mine was the equivalent color to british racing green with a tan interior. As stated above, the car would flat move, and back then the speed limit was 75 so everybody drove 80-90 mph on the interstate. Ordered it with a factory installed 8 Track that was mounted facing the front on hump in back floor.
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