Will be swapping my SC400 engine in a month
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Tundra block...hmmm
The Tundra block is a good idea too, but it's more of a one off project.
For me, I have plans to supercharge the car, so the 98 setup is ideal, because the engine and tranny are identical w/those of the tuner who supercharges.
As far as the vvti getting in the way of forced induction, the tuner who supercharges already has dealt w/that.
It's better to supercharge w/the stronger vvti engine than not.
As far as the ecu upgrade...
I may even just do the intake/ecu upgrade rightafter the swap...which would put me in the range of 350hp.
For me, I have plans to supercharge the car, so the 98 setup is ideal, because the engine and tranny are identical w/those of the tuner who supercharges.
As far as the vvti getting in the way of forced induction, the tuner who supercharges already has dealt w/that.
It's better to supercharge w/the stronger vvti engine than not.
As far as the ecu upgrade...
I may even just do the intake/ecu upgrade rightafter the swap...which would put me in the range of 350hp.
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Re: Tundra block...hmmm
[I may even just do the intake/ecu upgrade rightafter the swap...which would put me in the range of 350hp. [/B][/QUOTE]
how much would you have spent total on getting your car up to 350hp and what do you think you would run with that much hp?
how much would you have spent total on getting your car up to 350hp and what do you think you would run with that much hp?
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Originally posted by SupraCoup3
about the supercharger -- will it fit underneath the hood? Is it roots or centerfugial? Would you be looking @ the huge hood w/ a scoop built in? Just cure-E-os
about the supercharger -- will it fit underneath the hood? Is it roots or centerfugial? Would you be looking @ the huge hood w/ a scoop built in? Just cure-E-os
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estimates
SuraCoup3,
Yeah, it would roughly be around 6500 dollars for the engine swap/ecu upgrade.
The numbers?
w/350 hp w/the new vvti setup, I would think the car would do 0-60 in 5.5 seconds consistenly..maybe low 5's on a good launch....
and 1/4 mile would probably be in the 13 flats. But it wouldn't matter because i'm not interested in 1/4 mile times at this point.
I'm not interested in making it a race car. Just the fastest it can be as an SC400 engine and normally aspirated. And when I hit a big budget, to be set up so I can supercharge when the opportunity presents itself.
I'm interested in an engine that will be there for 10 years.
Lex400sc
Regarding the supercharger, yes, I believe it would be centirfugual. I believe the blower would fit right where the air intake box is. on the lower left of the engine bay.
I'm curious about what you mean by the OBDI kit. what are you referring do o. Do you mean the supra engine?
Yes Lex, the benefits, are the cheap insurance,and the longetivity of the engine. And the shock of GS400's when I hang w/them and even BEAT them w/the ECU....would be a bonus. =)
MadMax,
The tuner I am planning to use, had already developed a high performance unit using the OBDII engine, instead of OBDI so you CAN modify that engine to great lengths....more than people think.
Yeah, the tuner has the electronics to control the VVti. Yeah, I will mostl liikely use the same torque converter. I heard it fits both trannies.
Yeah, it would roughly be around 6500 dollars for the engine swap/ecu upgrade.
The numbers?
w/350 hp w/the new vvti setup, I would think the car would do 0-60 in 5.5 seconds consistenly..maybe low 5's on a good launch....
and 1/4 mile would probably be in the 13 flats. But it wouldn't matter because i'm not interested in 1/4 mile times at this point.
I'm not interested in making it a race car. Just the fastest it can be as an SC400 engine and normally aspirated. And when I hit a big budget, to be set up so I can supercharge when the opportunity presents itself.
I'm interested in an engine that will be there for 10 years.
Lex400sc
Regarding the supercharger, yes, I believe it would be centirfugual. I believe the blower would fit right where the air intake box is. on the lower left of the engine bay.
I'm curious about what you mean by the OBDI kit. what are you referring do o. Do you mean the supra engine?
Yes Lex, the benefits, are the cheap insurance,and the longetivity of the engine. And the shock of GS400's when I hang w/them and even BEAT them w/the ECU....would be a bonus. =)
MadMax,
The tuner I am planning to use, had already developed a high performance unit using the OBDII engine, instead of OBDI so you CAN modify that engine to great lengths....more than people think.
Yeah, the tuner has the electronics to control the VVti. Yeah, I will mostl liikely use the same torque converter. I heard it fits both trannies.
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If we're referring to 350rwhp, you'll hit 13's nooo problem. I think what he meant by OBD1 kit was a turbo or supercharger for the 1UZ non-VVT-i. The difference in power is not great at all, the VVT-i motor still fells pretty slow to me, and the amount of readily available upgrades is very limited. Honestly, i'd wait for a turbo or supercharger for your existing motor, which i'm trying my damndest to make happen, or swap in a GTE motor and have that Cool-Aid smile, it's a matter of mounts, harness, ECU, a/c lines, and some other things to worry about, but no more work really than swapping in a VVT-i 4.0 motor into a non-VVT-i car, you'd have 320hp as delivered, can BPU to 450hp for a little over a grand, and have potential past 800hp on the stock block. I know you're not a drag racer, but even Ara Arslanian started out on a road course
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GTE motor?
Can u tell me more about the GTE motor? What is that? How much does it cost and where does it come from? (supra? 2jz?)
MY whole swap would be 6K. Will the GTE motor be around there? 1K more for 400hp? is that a turbo upgrade?
Regarding supra engine swaps, I've already inquired about that. Every place I spoke to quotes 10K at the LEAST. SO the price difference is pretty big.
Also, regarding the supercharger, or turbo for the OBDI (non-vvti)engine....I just wouldn't feel good about putting that kind of stress on this 140K mile OBDI non-vvti engine I have now.
The OBDII engine I'm getting has only 30K on it, and is ideal for supercharging for the tuner who I use, who has already supercharged an OBDII vvti engine. He's making 1000hp plus(don't know the exact numbers..he won't tell me till it's on the race circuit) on that engine. So I don't believe the tuning restrictions on the OBDII engine are that great.
MY whole swap would be 6K. Will the GTE motor be around there? 1K more for 400hp? is that a turbo upgrade?
Regarding supra engine swaps, I've already inquired about that. Every place I spoke to quotes 10K at the LEAST. SO the price difference is pretty big.
Also, regarding the supercharger, or turbo for the OBDI (non-vvti)engine....I just wouldn't feel good about putting that kind of stress on this 140K mile OBDI non-vvti engine I have now.
The OBDII engine I'm getting has only 30K on it, and is ideal for supercharging for the tuner who I use, who has already supercharged an OBDII vvti engine. He's making 1000hp plus(don't know the exact numbers..he won't tell me till it's on the race circuit) on that engine. So I don't believe the tuning restrictions on the OBDII engine are that great.
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Supra Turbo Engine Swaps
A lot of people in this forum prefer to turbo the 2JZ in line6-motor...
and swap..instead of doing a mod to the 1uz.
I'm going to stick to the 1UZ and see what I can do w/that v-8
and swap..instead of doing a mod to the 1uz.
I'm going to stick to the 1UZ and see what I can do w/that v-8
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140K miles on the V8? I'd say that's far from tired... we're not talking about a Chevy 350 that's pretty much ready for rings, etc. at 100K miles. If it's been well-cared for, I'd say it's only half worn-out.
My 85 MR2 has 183K on the original engine. My dad bought the car new, and it has had oil changes every 3K- I still spin the thing to redline (7500 rpm) an a daily basis.
I'm building a 4-AGZE block for the MR2 (turbo use, forged pistons & rods, ball bearing Garrett, TEC II, etc.), but until the new engine is done, I'm confident the original engine won't leave me stranded... these engines (like most Toyota engines) are pretty bulletproof.
That's not to say I don't want to see you do the swap... I'll just warn you that things will surprise you as far as compatability goes- I helped a good friend transplant an M3 engine into his E36 318is.
We did the newer 3.2 block, OBD I top-end + ECU, M3 trans & rear end... it cost a total of $11K when all was said & done. He admits that he could have bought an M3 for not much more, and at the end of the day, he has a '95 318 is with a bastard engine transplant that doesn't really pass smog (legally). It is quicker than a stock M3 though...
My 85 MR2 has 183K on the original engine. My dad bought the car new, and it has had oil changes every 3K- I still spin the thing to redline (7500 rpm) an a daily basis.
I'm building a 4-AGZE block for the MR2 (turbo use, forged pistons & rods, ball bearing Garrett, TEC II, etc.), but until the new engine is done, I'm confident the original engine won't leave me stranded... these engines (like most Toyota engines) are pretty bulletproof.
That's not to say I don't want to see you do the swap... I'll just warn you that things will surprise you as far as compatability goes- I helped a good friend transplant an M3 engine into his E36 318is.
We did the newer 3.2 block, OBD I top-end + ECU, M3 trans & rear end... it cost a total of $11K when all was said & done. He admits that he could have bought an M3 for not much more, and at the end of the day, he has a '95 318 is with a bastard engine transplant that doesn't really pass smog (legally). It is quicker than a stock M3 though...
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Yeah, I understand there are unforseen things to worry about, and you bring up good points.
THe thing is that the SC400 OBDI and OBDII are MUCH closer in similarity than I think an M3 and 318 are. (Actually my car before this one WAS a 318 sedan. That's an AWESOME swap you did). The engine is pretty much the same. The only big difference is the VVTi, and the newer tranny.
The swap should go along fine. Also the mechanic I will work with, has done this swap before..and knows how to cut the components up in the 98 into almost a KIT form, so his installers can do it pretty easily. So it will stay in the 6K form.
Well, as regards to the 140K engine, even the tuner I work with is not really willing to work w/a high mileage engine. The supercharger does put a lot of stress on the engine. The OBDI engine I have 140K is "bulletproof" I agree....as a normally aspirated engine. It will go 400K miles..easily. BUt adding BOOST to it will wear it out big time.
Maybe my 92 SC4 w/the 300hp VVTI OBDII engine, will outrun a 98 like your friends 318 w/m3 motor outruns m3s! =)
I think mine will pass smog..no prob. I'll check though
THe thing is that the SC400 OBDI and OBDII are MUCH closer in similarity than I think an M3 and 318 are. (Actually my car before this one WAS a 318 sedan. That's an AWESOME swap you did). The engine is pretty much the same. The only big difference is the VVTi, and the newer tranny.
The swap should go along fine. Also the mechanic I will work with, has done this swap before..and knows how to cut the components up in the 98 into almost a KIT form, so his installers can do it pretty easily. So it will stay in the 6K form.
Well, as regards to the 140K engine, even the tuner I work with is not really willing to work w/a high mileage engine. The supercharger does put a lot of stress on the engine. The OBDI engine I have 140K is "bulletproof" I agree....as a normally aspirated engine. It will go 400K miles..easily. BUt adding BOOST to it will wear it out big time.
Maybe my 92 SC4 w/the 300hp VVTI OBDII engine, will outrun a 98 like your friends 318 w/m3 motor outruns m3s! =)
I think mine will pass smog..no prob. I'll check though
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Sounds like you're set on the VVT-i motor, and if that's what makes you happy, then that's the end of it, i'm sure you'll love the 35 extra flywheel hp 
I will tell you that if your tuner is making 1000+ hp with the 1UZ-FE VVT-i, he's not dealing with OBD whatsoever, he's running standalone. Also, I would reeaallly like to know who he is, maybe he's the one to make some things happen for the SC4 crowd. I'm one of those poor b@stards that knew what a good motor the 2JZ was, but bought an SC4 anyway figuring the aftermarket would catch up. Since the aftermarket for the 4.0 is practically nonexistent in this continent (other than some VVT-i parts), I will personally wait about another year or year and a half for 3 or 4 different ppl working on this project, but if there's still no hope, i'll either swap a GTE into the SC4, or trade him in for an SC3 and do single turbo. Since I would really like to keep this particular car, i'll probably do the GTE swap, since I would end up doing it a couple years down the road anyway even if it was an SC3. PF has a TT motor in stock, all done it would be about $12,000, but still i'd be 'only' be starting with 320 flywheel hp. On the other hand, pick up an SC3, and PF will give you a 450 rwhp car for about 10.5 grand. I'm That may seem like a lot of cheese, but when you realize that that's with a head gasket, FMIC, T66 (!), and injectors, i'm sure you could go past 600hp on that setup with a VPC, two Walbro pumps, and a -6 line. Great bargain, maybe I should trade in the SC4 afterall.......
I will tell you that if your tuner is making 1000+ hp with the 1UZ-FE VVT-i, he's not dealing with OBD whatsoever, he's running standalone. Also, I would reeaallly like to know who he is, maybe he's the one to make some things happen for the SC4 crowd. I'm one of those poor b@stards that knew what a good motor the 2JZ was, but bought an SC4 anyway figuring the aftermarket would catch up. Since the aftermarket for the 4.0 is practically nonexistent in this continent (other than some VVT-i parts), I will personally wait about another year or year and a half for 3 or 4 different ppl working on this project, but if there's still no hope, i'll either swap a GTE into the SC4, or trade him in for an SC3 and do single turbo. Since I would really like to keep this particular car, i'll probably do the GTE swap, since I would end up doing it a couple years down the road anyway even if it was an SC3. PF has a TT motor in stock, all done it would be about $12,000, but still i'd be 'only' be starting with 320 flywheel hp. On the other hand, pick up an SC3, and PF will give you a 450 rwhp car for about 10.5 grand. I'm That may seem like a lot of cheese, but when you realize that that's with a head gasket, FMIC, T66 (!), and injectors, i'm sure you could go past 600hp on that setup with a VPC, two Walbro pumps, and a -6 line. Great bargain, maybe I should trade in the SC4 afterall.......
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