Doors locked with Fob inside (merged threads)
01-15-14, 08:35 AM
#136
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I was having the same thought. Also, I wonder if a low battery in the fob would contribute to this odd behavior.
I wish people from Lexus monitored this forum, so they could enlighten us about how it's supposed to work, and what most likely happened. If this had happened away from the safe with the spare key, it might be a serious issue. Knowing the real reason it happened might help others from getting locked out of thier car in a difficult situation. Besides, people come up with some really good ideas to improve their owner experience. For example, you would think that Lexus would be interested in the fact that one of the OEM tire brands they use makes the car more noisy and the ride more harsh.
My last comment is that I find it interesting that we all seem to have our own habits/quirks when it comes to our cars. After spending time on this forum, I have discovered I may have more than most! These are things we have discovered that make life a little more convenient FOR US, that no one else would ever understand. Personally, I'm pretty sure that car keys are the primary reason pockets were invented.
According to my wife though, women's clothes often don't have pockets, so they invented purses. Personally, I prefer pockets! I look funny with a purse 
I wish people from Lexus monitored this forum, so they could enlighten us about how it's supposed to work, and what most likely happened. If this had happened away from the safe with the spare key, it might be a serious issue. Knowing the real reason it happened might help others from getting locked out of thier car in a difficult situation. Besides, people come up with some really good ideas to improve their owner experience. For example, you would think that Lexus would be interested in the fact that one of the OEM tire brands they use makes the car more noisy and the ride more harsh.
My last comment is that I find it interesting that we all seem to have our own habits/quirks when it comes to our cars. After spending time on this forum, I have discovered I may have more than most! These are things we have discovered that make life a little more convenient FOR US, that no one else would ever understand. Personally, I'm pretty sure that car keys are the primary reason pockets were invented.
According to my wife though, women's clothes often don't have pockets, so they invented purses. Personally, I prefer pockets! I look funny with a purse 
01-15-14, 09:04 AM
#138
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^ I agree. And I'm sure your insurance company would appreciate if you kept the key fob somewhere else. BTW, I haven't had the doors lock with the key fob left inside. It's a pretty smart system when you think about it.
01-21-14, 04:51 PM
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Thanks so much for pointing this out to me. I stopped reviewing all the responses because of so many judgmental comments about where to store my fob. I am female...I do not carry keys or phones in my pocket. I also do not read manuals....so once again, thanks! I was actually thinking of a more bizarre explanation such as solar flare...only reason was that 2 other people mentioned odd electronic device malfunctions that same evening, I have been keeping my fob in the door handle every night since I have owned this car and this has never happened before....strange it occurred when there was a solar storm going on?
01-21-14, 06:05 PM
#140
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Hob *** with the Fob
Thanks so much for pointing this out to me. I stopped reviewing all the responses because of so many judgmental comments about where to store my fob. I am female...I do not carry keys or phones in my pocket. I also do not read manuals....so once again, thanks! I was actually thinking of a more bizarre explanation such as solar flare...only reason was that 2 other people mentioned odd electronic device malfunctions that same evening, I have been keeping my fob in the door handle every night since I have owned this car and this has never happened before....strange it occurred when there was a solar storm going on?
Now my comment: Does your husband have another car with remote locking capabilities? A neighbor with a Lexus? Maybe he hit lock on his remote and locked your car by some remote (no pun intended) chance they are on the same frequency. Fat chance, I know. Also, no one mentioned the owner's manual until the end, and the physical key was only mentioned once. Columbo would have realized no one said the safe was locked. Maybe it's being used as a shield to prevent radio transmission. Thanks for listening. Glad everything's resolved.
Oh, one last thing, if I have my fob with me and my wife has hers with her, and we get in, how does the car know to give her preference so as to maintain the "Happy wife, happy life" concept?
Yes, she has the Lexus bling logo on the back. Happy New Year.
Ray A.
01-21-14, 06:19 PM
#141
Phone in shirt pocket, wallet and key each in a front pocket. That is how I roll.
01-22-14, 04:30 AM
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01-22-14, 05:38 AM
#143
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Thanks so much for pointing this out to me. I stopped reviewing all the responses because of so many judgmental comments about where to store my fob. I am female...I do not carry keys or phones in my pocket. I also do not read manuals....so once again, thanks! I was actually thinking of a more bizarre explanation such as solar flare...only reason was that 2 other people mentioned odd electronic device malfunctions that same evening, I have been keeping my fob in the door handle every night since I have owned this car and this has never happened before....strange it occurred when there was a solar storm going on?
kidding aside, don't look at the comments as " judgmental comments", constructive criticism OR a difference in opinion would be better.
and my wife, who doesn't carry keys or phone in her pocket either.. have those things inside a purse.
at the end of the day, after hearing all these information, you're free to do whatever you want.
01-22-14, 05:52 AM
#144
And the winner is ..........
It's been really hard for me to stay out of this thread, especially at night when sipping the red wine 
. But it's morning now and nothing but Wilfred Brimley's oatmeal to influence my intellect and cholesterol. I thought about it in the shower this morning where I get some of my clearest thinking done.
Roger, your post below is the only logical answer, the OP should reward you with new batteries for your remotes and perhaps read the manuals she admittedly did not. Nothing to be ashamed of, I rarely read my computer manuals
. But these are a new generation of cars, many things work differently and require a new sense of the way they operate. The keys for instance should be thought of as radios that are constantly on, therefor some battery drainage. When left in the car, they are constantly maintaining that contact and draining faster. Two keys, or keys and phone in the same proximity (such as pocket) can have the same effect (phone is a radio too). I've developed my own habit of putting wallet and keys on counter by answering machine (near garage door) when coming home. The keys are always in the same place when I'm ready to leave. One exception, I have two cars w/smart keys. I keep the keys to the Corvette in a separate place (to keep their radios more than 5 ft apart).
Quoting Anita and some others, it's a good bet if you had to tell your insurance company your car was removed from your garage and yes, you usually leave the key in because the 'garage' is locked they'd probably give your claim a lot of consideration before paying it. Most theft crimes are 'crimes of opportunity'. Just saying .......
. But it's morning now and nothing but Wilfred Brimley's oatmeal to influence my intellect and cholesterol. I thought about it in the shower this morning where I get some of my clearest thinking done.Roger, your post below is the only logical answer, the OP should reward you with new batteries for your remotes and perhaps read the manuals she admittedly did not. Nothing to be ashamed of, I rarely read my computer manuals
. But these are a new generation of cars, many things work differently and require a new sense of the way they operate. The keys for instance should be thought of as radios that are constantly on, therefor some battery drainage. When left in the car, they are constantly maintaining that contact and draining faster. Two keys, or keys and phone in the same proximity (such as pocket) can have the same effect (phone is a radio too). I've developed my own habit of putting wallet and keys on counter by answering machine (near garage door) when coming home. The keys are always in the same place when I'm ready to leave. One exception, I have two cars w/smart keys. I keep the keys to the Corvette in a separate place (to keep their radios more than 5 ft apart). Quoting Anita and some others, it's a good bet if you had to tell your insurance company your car was removed from your garage and yes, you usually leave the key in because the 'garage' is locked they'd probably give your claim a lot of consideration before paying it. Most theft crimes are 'crimes of opportunity'. Just saying .......
I copied this from the manual. Found in another thread and thought of you and this scenario.
Do not leave the electronic key on top of the instrument panel or near the door pockets when exiting the vehicle. Depending on the radio wave reception con- ditions, it may be detected by the antenna outside the cabin and the door will become lockable from the outside, possibly trapping the electronic key inside the vehicle.
http://drivers.lexus.com/t3Portal/do.../sec_01-02.pdf
Do not leave the electronic key on top of the instrument panel or near the door pockets when exiting the vehicle. Depending on the radio wave reception con- ditions, it may be detected by the antenna outside the cabin and the door will become lockable from the outside, possibly trapping the electronic key inside the vehicle.
http://drivers.lexus.com/t3Portal/do.../sec_01-02.pdf
01-22-14, 06:14 AM
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I already found out for myself that key fob transmitter is very weak. car easily looses connection to key if you put key and iphone into pockets on same side, so now I learned to put them into separate pockets.
also when you get to the grocery store parking it happened twice already - car just reports - connection lost to key, I bring damn key right next to immobilizer and still it does not sense it. then I see some other car to pull away and it starts working. so, it is what it is.
also when you get to the grocery store parking it happened twice already - car just reports - connection lost to key, I bring damn key right next to immobilizer and still it does not sense it. then I see some other car to pull away and it starts working. so, it is what it is.
01-22-14, 08:57 AM
#147
I already found out for myself that key fob transmitter is very weak. car easily looses connection to key if you put key and iphone into pockets on same side, so now I learned to put them into separate pockets.
also when you get to the grocery store parking it happened twice already - car just reports - connection lost to key, I bring damn key right next to immobilizer and still it does not sense it. then I see some other car to pull away and it starts working. so, it is what it is.
also when you get to the grocery store parking it happened twice already - car just reports - connection lost to key, I bring damn key right next to immobilizer and still it does not sense it. then I see some other car to pull away and it starts working. so, it is what it is.
01-22-14, 01:04 PM
#148
Ironically, when you bring the car to the car wash or dealer they usually have you leave the key in the cup holder. By the way, when I went to PA I put an extra key in my suitcase in the trunk. I forgot all about it until I tried to lock the doors. It wouldn't let me even though the normal key was in my purse. I had to roll around with the suitcase while we went to a restaurant because I didn't want to unpack the suitcase!
01-22-14, 01:07 PM
#149
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Ironically, when you bring the car to the car wash or dealer they usually have you leave the key in the cup holder. By the way, when I went to PA I put an extra key in my suitcase in the trunk. I forgot all about it until I tried to lock the doors. It wouldn't let me even though the normal key was in my purse. I had to roll around with the suitcase while we went to a restaurant because I didn't want to unpack the suitcase!
