Eliminate the Invidia Midpipe Rasp & Improve Tone
I run the following performance mods on my 07 lexus is350, I have a lot of life left on the car 66k miles so I decided to upgrade the exhaust accordingly:
- PPE Headers
- RR Racing Tune
- Invidia Midpipe
- Manzo Exhaust (similar tone to Invidia Axleback, budget version)
- No Cats
After all of these mods, I have a terrible rasp especially during the WOT position. I have determined the rasp is coming from the invidia midpipe. However, before removing all of the cats, the overall tone of the car was great. I am debating on the proposed mods, but I want to make sure I achieve no rasp and deep tone without creating a money pit. I was looking at sound clips, and the tone I'm aiming for is captured by the following sound clip of a Lexus ISF with PPE Headers (catless), Borla Catback + Bazooka muffler delete. The tone is amazing with little rasp. See Below for Link:
Lexus ISF with PPE Headers (catless), Borla Catback + Bazooka muffler delete
OPTIONS:
1) Install PPE High Flow Cats ($400 cost, $100 labor estimate + $300 part). However, I'm unsure if this will clean up the rasp without taking away the tone of the resonator. On the plus side, this will eliminate the foul odor. I am leaning towards this route because before the PPE Header install, my exhaust sounded great, it became extra raspy once the primary cats were removed... On the downside, I will see a slight decline in performance.
2) Replace Invidia Resonator with another brand that gives an aggressive, deep, clean tone. However, I'm unsure of a good replacement. I don't see any sound clips of a setup on youtube with PPE Headers, catless, and a different type of midpipe. Common setups include either Megan Racing or Invidia. I was looking into Borla resonators but not many promising results are out there. Any suggestions?
3) Resonator Delete. This will altogether remove the rasp, however, I'm unsure what the tone of the car will sound like. There is no one on Youtube with PPE Headers, Resonator delete, and a Manzo/Invidia Axleback to catch a glimpe of the sound. Any suggestions?
I'm a little hesitant with proceeding with any of the above options and I am open to perspectives!
- PPE Headers
- RR Racing Tune
- Invidia Midpipe
- Manzo Exhaust (similar tone to Invidia Axleback, budget version)
- No Cats
After all of these mods, I have a terrible rasp especially during the WOT position. I have determined the rasp is coming from the invidia midpipe. However, before removing all of the cats, the overall tone of the car was great. I am debating on the proposed mods, but I want to make sure I achieve no rasp and deep tone without creating a money pit. I was looking at sound clips, and the tone I'm aiming for is captured by the following sound clip of a Lexus ISF with PPE Headers (catless), Borla Catback + Bazooka muffler delete. The tone is amazing with little rasp. See Below for Link:
Lexus ISF with PPE Headers (catless), Borla Catback + Bazooka muffler delete
OPTIONS:
1) Install PPE High Flow Cats ($400 cost, $100 labor estimate + $300 part). However, I'm unsure if this will clean up the rasp without taking away the tone of the resonator. On the plus side, this will eliminate the foul odor. I am leaning towards this route because before the PPE Header install, my exhaust sounded great, it became extra raspy once the primary cats were removed... On the downside, I will see a slight decline in performance.
2) Replace Invidia Resonator with another brand that gives an aggressive, deep, clean tone. However, I'm unsure of a good replacement. I don't see any sound clips of a setup on youtube with PPE Headers, catless, and a different type of midpipe. Common setups include either Megan Racing or Invidia. I was looking into Borla resonators but not many promising results are out there. Any suggestions?
3) Resonator Delete. This will altogether remove the rasp, however, I'm unsure what the tone of the car will sound like. There is no one on Youtube with PPE Headers, Resonator delete, and a Manzo/Invidia Axleback to catch a glimpe of the sound. Any suggestions?
I'm a little hesitant with proceeding with any of the above options and I am open to perspectives!
The resonator is the main thing that removes the rasp. That’s the biggest difference in the Megan/Invidia mid pipes. The foul odor is due to the PPE headers removing the primary Cats. Removing the secondary cats didn’t effect that too much. Reaonators refine the exhaust note , not hinder it.
Resonators play a huge part with how your exhaust note will sound. If you are interested in swapping out your invidia midpipes for Megan midpipes with its distinct set of resonators, you can get an idea on how your setup may sound under different load conditions with these YT videos (PPE Headers/Megan Midpipes/F-Sport Exhaust):
Reving sound:
WOT under load:
Drive by:
Reving sound:
WOT under load:
Drive by:
Appreciate the video postings!
The megan midpipe does have a refined cleaner sound to it. I was hoping to keep the throaty/aggressive tone of the invidia midpipe and try to eliminate the rasp, but seems like I would need to experiment with different resonators. This would be a challenge considering the lack of clearance under the body. After watching your vids, I'm going to consider the megan midpipes, unless I learn of another setup, thank you!
The megan midpipe does have a refined cleaner sound to it. I was hoping to keep the throaty/aggressive tone of the invidia midpipe and try to eliminate the rasp, but seems like I would need to experiment with different resonators. This would be a challenge considering the lack of clearance under the body. After watching your vids, I'm going to consider the megan midpipes, unless I learn of another setup, thank you!
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