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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 12:54 AM
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Not to get confuse with compression test, I am about to perform a leak down test.

I got the idea of it, such as get the cylinder at TDC and run compressed air by using some tool.

So, let say I am performing a leak down test on cylinder #1 on a 2JZ, should the spark plug on cylinders 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 remain intact?

Same on cylinder # 2, should spark plug be installed on cylinder 1, 3, 4, 5, 6 ?

First time doing this, and I found so many methods how to put each cylinder at TDC.
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 09:45 AM
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spark plugs on other cylinders do not matter, each cylinder is tested independently.
let us know how the results go.
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http://www.supramania.com/forums/sho...Perform-a-Test
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spark plugs on other cylinders do not matter, each cylinder is tested independently.
let us know how the results go.
Just got the Aristo GTE, did a proper leak down procedure.

Cylinder 1 - 5 seems have a leak on exhaust, cylinder 6 is mild.

Some air coming out from the twin's downpipe. Intake, crankcase and coolant pipe has no noise at all.

So maybe leaking from the head part of the GTE, could this be valve stems, push rod, etc?
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So I guess something about the exhaust valve?

Problems are pinpointed simply by determining where the air is leaking out of the cylinder. Air leaking out of the exhaust system (you can hear it in the exhaust pipe) indicates a problem with the exhaust valve. Air coming out of the carb or throttle body indicates a bad intake valve or seat. Air going into the crankcase is leaking past the rings and does not indicate a problem if the percentage is low enough. A leak where the air is going into an adjacent cylinder or into the coolant indicates a blown head gasket or cracked head.




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Old Mar 20, 2013 | 08:21 AM
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Im not experienced with leakdown tests but sounds odd that all of them are leaking through the exhaust.
sounds like it would be something in the head but what are the chances of all going bad. are you sure you did it right.
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Took off the valve covers and set each cylinder at TDC, lobes facing up. Got different results.

Made a video and posted it at SupraForums, moderator has to approved the post since it is my first one lol.

Will send link here later. Thanks for the input guys!
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Old Mar 20, 2013 | 11:42 AM
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was it even?
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whats the problem? why you doing a leak down test?with cylender on TDC all 4 valves are closed. Valve seals cannot cause anything you can figure out with a leak down test so rule that our right away. Whats sealing the air being forced into the cylender? Piston Rings and Head gasket and Valves those 3 are your only possible causes. Valves are unlikely since Gte is non vvti correct? motor is non interfence no way valve can hit the piston unless you get valve float.

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yeah just slap a big turbo on it already and call it a day =)
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whats the problem? why you doing a leak down test?with cylender on TDC all 4 valves are closed. Valve seals cannot cause anything you can figure out with a leak down test so rule that our right away. Whats sealing the air being forced into the cylender? Piston Rings and Head gasket and Valves those 3 are your only possible causes. Valves are unlikely since Gte is non vvti correct? motor is non interfence no way valve can hit the piston unless you get valve float.
Doing a leak down test and compression test to see the health of it before I drop it on my engine bay. I do not think it is the piston rings because I do not hear any noise from the cranckcase, Not head gasket either because i do not hear air escaping from the coolant hose. Valves? could be, but that should be the exhaust valves, because i hear something. Intake valves are good on all since i do not hear anything on the throttle body. Yes it is non-vvti. Before I bought this motor, I did a research on a leak down test, and I am sure I did the procedure correctly.
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yeah just slap a big turbo on it already and call it a day =)
Will do at winter, don't really know the condition of the twins. Might as well take the twins off while the engine out. They said it is a PITA to take them off while on the car.

I see piping from intake manifold going to the twins, what the #$5! should i do with them when I go single. Haven't search yet
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SupraForums haven't approved the thread... I guess I have to buy a Supra to be a real member

Here are the videos, cylinder 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6 has no noise at all. I've checked the exhaust, throttle body, coolant pipe, and crankcase ( oil dipstick ), for air escaping, none at all.

Cylinder #1 is abit different, although the pressure is almost the same as the other cylinders, I hear mild hissing noise at the exhaust pipe.

Also, all pressures are on the "moderate" (yellow) and it should be around 15%( green), is it because the engine is cold? I also did a leak down on my SC300 before I bought the motor, engine is cold and it is on "moderate" as well. My SC300 runs strong at 230K miles. I think I am good on all 5 cylinders, I don't know about the cylinder #1.

#1

#2

#3

#4

#5

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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 05:59 AM
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i cant view the videos for some reason but 10% difference between the two readings should be pretty normal anything more then 15% is not good. I would do a chemical headgasket test just to make sure you headgasket is ok. If it is then go ahead and boost away.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 06:15 AM
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Videos are fine... if the HG is the problem, I would hear noise coming out of the coolant pipe. But there is none.
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Old Mar 29, 2013 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by JesLet
Videos are fine... if the HG is the problem, I would hear noise coming out of the coolant pipe. But there is none.
not always, just trying to help you out.
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