Rotten egg smell
If you look at www.alldata.com, almost every year and model of Lexus has a TSB entitles "Exhaust System - Excessive Sulfur Odors".
steviej
I just wanted to update some. I had been using Hess gas mainly since I bought my car because it was always the cheapest using 93 octane.
I have been trying different gas stations brands and have tried Shell and Mobile so far. Doing at least 4-5 tank fulls of each different gas brands. Shell dramatically reduced "the smell" in frequincy and amount of stank. Mobile reduced the frequincy of smell but when it did smell it was alot worse of stink. I just started yesterday trying Sunoco. We will so how that works and I will also try Lukeoil and Texaco and a couple other brands around here and I will keep the board informed.
Last edited by CBG; Mar 29, 2009 at 07:18 AM.
im having mine looked at at sheehy lexus of annapolis free of charge, and they will replace the cat if necessary
Last edited by 03 ES; Mar 31, 2009 at 08:51 PM.
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steviej
So change to a "Metal" cat.
When the cats are not up to the required temp to effectively clean the gases. it clogs up the honeycomb of the cats.
When the cats are at operating or above temps they put out a "stinky" smell. It is the additives that is put into the fuels are being burnt off the honeycomb.
Reset the computer
check the o2 sensor/s
replace o2 sensor/s or replace cats if needed (or what ever is cheaper)
that smell is a byproduct of the sulfur that is in the fuel (you can try changing brands, but all have some sulfur content), and the fact that the sulfur is not being burnt completely...
give you a little knowledge of how a modern ecu in a car works... 99% of your driving is done in whats called "closed loop" mode... the ecu looks at airflow from the mass air sensor, estimates the engines fuel requirements by plotting airflow, rpm and engine load on a preset fuel map and opens the injectors for that set amount of time... it then looks at the data from the oxygen sensors to see how completely burnt the fuel was - the more burnt it was, the leaner the mix, the less burnt, the richer the mix... it measures the oxygen content in the exhaust to do this, and it is looking for stoichiometric, which is 14.7 parts air to 1 part fuel ratio... anything below this is rich, anything above is lean - lean is good for fuel mileage, but not so good for keeping an engine healthy... once it sees how good the map was at estimating fuel requirements, then it modifies it... typically it will shoot rich, see if it was rich, then it will shoot a little leaner, see how well it does, then rich, then lean - its almost impossible to get it perfect every time, so it bounces from rich to lean pretty consistently... this is why an air/fuel ratio gauge bounces back and forth while at idle or cruise...
now, that other 1% of driving is done in whats called "open loop" mode... this is reserved for high amounts of throttle or wide open throttle... here, the computer abandons the oxygen sensor readings and only looks at the airflow and its preset map... because oxygen sensors are only accurate at stoichiometric (unless you have a wideband, which most cars do not come with from the factory), the programmers of the ecu decided that to save the health of the engine, they would shoot for somewhere between 10:1 and 12.5:1 for high loads on the engine... this is a safety factor - the additional fuel keeps the engine cooler and prevents knock... ok, so, open loop, no feedback from the oxygen sensors because we are operating outside of their accuracy range... also, a byproduct of this is that unburnt fuel makes it through the engine, sometimes to be somewhat reburnt in the catalytic converter making it get real hot... so, real hot catalytic converter plus sulfur in the unburnt fuel equals bad smelling exhaust, rotten eggs, to be specific...
it is not bad (unless it smells all the time) and it is not going to hurt anything - high temperatures can actually help keep a catalytic converter free from contaminants...
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knock happens when fuel ignites irregularly and prematurely, causing erratic pressure differentials within the combustion chamber. Small explosions literally result potentially damaging the pistons and other parts of the engine due to octane being to low for the operating conditions its under
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knock happens when fuel ignites irregularly and prematurely, causing erratic pressure differentials within the combustion chamber. Small explosions literally result potentially damaging the pistons and other parts of the engine due to octane being to low for the operating conditions its under
additional fuel lowers exhaust gas temperatures across the board, therefore the engine runs cooler...
also, additional fuel prevents knock - a lean condition makes an engine knock bad - you can combat that, or even combat having too little octane by adding additional fuel...
so, my original statement stands, you prevent knock and keep the engine cooler by adding more fuel to the mix... this is tuning knowledge 101...
You stated what knock was, but never what caused it other than octane... another very common cause of knock is too much timing advance...
One thing I did have to rethink myself on was if you thought I implied that a cooler engine prevents knock as well... thought about it for a second, and guess what, that is correct as well... again, pre-ignition is caused by all kinds of things - and one of them is a combustion cylinder that is running too hot and causes the fuel to pre-ignite... again, octane can solve this problem, but so can additional fuel to cool things down a bit...
now, can we get back to the rotten egg smell...
Last edited by mitsuguy; Apr 20, 2009 at 07:58 AM.







