Notices
Maintenance Discuss common Lexus maintenance questions here.
View Poll Results: Would you get K&N air filter?
Yeah sure
63.72%
No thanks, cheap FRAM for me
6.40%
No thanks, genuine Toyota parts for me
22.87%
No thanks, I buy another brand of air filter (pls list what u use)
7.01%
Voters: 328. You may not vote on this poll

K&N Air filter: worth it?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 17, 2006 | 01:25 PM
  #16  
TunedRX300's Avatar
TunedRX300
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,447
Likes: 9
From: CA
Default

Originally Posted by UberNoob
i just added a poll option

but im not convinced if i should get K&N and risk dirt getting negligible benefits isnt encouraging either
hmm...
Everyone complains about dirt, but what is the amount of dirt that OEM filter let in?
Does the dirt increase actually increase engine wear? Many UOAs, or Used Oil Analysis, indicates no additional metal wear from independent lab reports: iron, copper, aluminum, and lead PPM do not increase.
Please don't assume, scientific data please...

I have serious reservation on K&N oil cause damage to MAF, if one over oils the filter, Can't he just unscrew two phillip screws and spray some brake cleaner to hose off the oil buildup. If one know how to use a screw driver, he can do this DIY job < 5 minute.
Paying $187 for a new MAF, wow!!!
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2006 | 06:43 PM
  #17  
jimmyjazz's Avatar
jimmyjazz
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 430
Likes: 0
From: TX
Default

About 3 years ago, I read in a Porshe dealer magazine not to use an oil/guaze filter except on a race engine, which I assume would at least be torn down after an event. GM has one of those hidden notices they can void your warrenty if you use a K&N or oil/guaze. I have a typhoon intake with AEM dryflow filter.
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2006 | 10:38 PM
  #18  
TunedRX300's Avatar
TunedRX300
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,447
Likes: 9
From: CA
Default

Of course, dealers do not want anyone to use any aftermarket.
To condition owner's warranty just because of using aftermarket parts is a violation of federal law.
Before someone says K&N filter does not follow OEM spec, please tell me what is OEM spec in air filter?
I am not against OEM filter, just that many claims are made against K&N lacks scientific data. If anyone can show in an UOA that the engine wear increases with K&N, please post.

Last edited by TunedRX300; Nov 22, 2006 at 11:24 PM.
Reply
Old Nov 25, 2006 | 04:54 PM
  #19  
RA40's Avatar
RA40
Super Moderator
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 20,895
Likes: 490
From: California
Default

The performance has been speculative and having had K&N in past cars, the hassle of cleaning it wasn't IMO worth it. Easier to buy a new filter as needed and toss the old one. With a K&N, you wash it, let it dry...then oil it up. This for me was a 3-4 hour remove-replace.

My oil analysis showed more particulates with the K&N, without it hit nominal levels and nearly matched what it had for a baseline test. YMMV, I choose not to use this filter.
Reply
Old Nov 26, 2006 | 03:09 PM
  #20  
Maxx941's Avatar
Maxx941
Lexus Test Driver
20 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,112
Likes: 0
From: FL
Default

I've had 3 K&N filters 2 drop-in 1 Conical style, All exceeded my expectations.
Clean and reuse simple enough. The only true measurable difference I could observe was the small increase in MPG. little more sound at WOT.
Is it worth it? Maybe not there drop in, but for Aftermarket CAI its better than a others I seen.
Reply
Old Nov 26, 2006 | 04:43 PM
  #21  
TunedRX300's Avatar
TunedRX300
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,447
Likes: 9
From: CA
Default

Both flow and filteration are vital for engine operation and reliability.

Higher silicon in UOA does not equal to higher wear. Many virgin oil analysis has shown silicon in lab's spectral analysis because silicon is an additive. Also many sealant has silicon containt, take a UOA for a new engine, silicon is usually found in high ppm. The high silicon does not hurt the engine in both cases because they are not abrasive in nature.
To cause more engine wear, dirt (contains high silicon or sand) must be
abrasive, which means particles 1) large 2) many to cause higher wear rate in Fe, Al, Cu, or Pb in ppm.
In addition, if anyone claim flow is not important, why do we change OEM filter in the first place? Dirty paper filter has higher filteration rate and let in less dirt paricles than a new OEM paper filter.
I have done UOA of my 1mzfe and Mobile 1 5w20 synthetic oil with K&N for 8200 miles, all wear particles are equal or less than other UOA with fewer miles.
For summer dusty months, I use OEM filter for better filteration. Of course this is a balance I found, backed by UOA.
IMHO, I don't think it is fair to make blanket statement filter A is not worth than filter B. Opinion are welcome in this forum, but opinions with scientific data are just more valuable to other members to make their own decisions.

Last edited by TunedRX300; Dec 30, 2006 at 09:16 PM.
Reply
Old Nov 26, 2006 | 06:06 PM
  #22  
LXotic's Avatar
LXotic
Lexus Test Driver
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,075
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
Default

I read somewhere K&N filter reduces the engine's lifespan...
Reply
Old Nov 26, 2006 | 10:47 PM
  #23  
alexulan's Avatar
alexulan
Lexus Test Driver
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 1,590
Likes: 4
From: Bay Area
Default

i have a 2000 gs400 with a K/N drop in this would be the third one I think cause I just replace them every 20K. I also worried about the oil on the MAF so instead of clean I dispose and buy new.

I don't think I felt a big performance difference but i do think that it does let the engine breath a little easier and get up through the rpms quicker.

never any problems with the K/N I think the GS stall issue showed that as many people stall with reg oem air filters then after market ones.

in fact my stall issue is now gone almost for a year or more.

the car is at 60K and i'm currently running no A/C for about 4 months and no stalls. Gas millage is about 19 mix hwy/city.
Reply
Old Nov 28, 2006 | 12:24 PM
  #24  
javyLSU's Avatar
javyLSU
2IS OG
iTrader: (21)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,888
Likes: 34
From: New Haven, CT
Default

Here's an interesting video that addresses this issue:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e...7e01799b19.htm

Javier
Reply
Old Nov 28, 2006 | 02:29 PM
  #25  
UberNoob's Avatar
UberNoob
Thread Starter
Lexus Fanatic
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 6,231
Likes: 0
From: Los Angeles/Vancouver
Default

Originally Posted by javyLSU
Here's an interesting video that addresses this issue:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e...7e01799b19.htm

Javier
good to know they stand behind their products

i think ill give K&N a try since my local toyota dealership wants $42 USD for the OEM air filter for my 01 GS300!!
Reply
Old Nov 28, 2006 | 02:51 PM
  #26  
mkorsu's Avatar
mkorsu
Zombie Slayer
20 Year Member
Photogenic
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 6,053
Likes: 3
From: East Bumble F, NJ
Default

Originally Posted by UberNoob
good to know they stand behind their products

i think ill give K&N a try since my local toyota dealership wants $42 USD for the OEM air filter for my 01 GS300!!
If you want to stay with the OEM, try irontoad.com. I pay $12-$15 for filters for my 1UZ
Reply
Old Nov 28, 2006 | 04:40 PM
  #27  
UberNoob's Avatar
UberNoob
Thread Starter
Lexus Fanatic
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 6,231
Likes: 0
From: Los Angeles/Vancouver
Default

Originally Posted by mkorsu
If you want to stay with the OEM, try irontoad.com. I pay $12-$15 for filters for my 1UZ
thanks im in canada though and they dont ship to canada
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2006 | 12:37 PM
  #28  
dung0981's Avatar
dung0981
Lexus Test Driver
CL Folding 10,000
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 833
Likes: 1
From: CA
Default

better response to me....does not hurt anything
Reply
Old Dec 12, 2006 | 01:53 PM
  #29  
UberNoob's Avatar
UberNoob
Thread Starter
Lexus Fanatic
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 6,231
Likes: 0
From: Los Angeles/Vancouver
Default

Originally Posted by suhyuk1214
I read somewhere K&N filter reduces the engine's lifespan...
do u have a link to that?
id like to see if there are any proof of it out there that the extra 1% can cause reduction in engine lifespan
cause im worried about it
Reply
Old Dec 12, 2006 | 07:43 PM
  #30  
tcheung87's Avatar
tcheung87
Lexus Test Driver
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 858
Likes: 2
From: California
Default

Originally Posted by UberNoob
good to know they stand behind their products

i think ill give K&N a try since my local toyota dealership wants $42 USD for the OEM air filter for my 01 GS300!!
what the omgoodness?! $42 for an OEM filter that will end up being replaced every so often is pretty outrageous. Try Crutchfield.com if you're gonna go with a K&N they are reasonably priced also.

-Tc
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:04 AM.