You are right about the design, the set up, intercooler and heat exchange to cool down the combustion chambers of the turbo charge engine. Otherwise, it cracks the rings.
But, if a car with turbo charge runs at speed of 70mph, it runs at around 4000rpm. Other cars with non turbo charge would be running at 2000rpm at the same speed. So if you look at the engine life in terms of fires, that's half the lifespan. Turbo charge also creates higher cylinder pressure, additional stress and more heat. More heat under the hood means more things can go wrong faster.

Toyota is on top of its hybrid technology, Prius is for an example. They are not behind in turbo charge. If they could do it then, and they will have no problem do now. But they choose to concentrate in hybrid tech, and better for the environment and government mandate.

For off-road truck, one would prefer low end torque to go over boulders without pushing the throttle.

 

Every car manufacturers always find the way to make more HP in their vehicles, the more HP the more superior they feel. However, it comes with price and reliability of cars. The question is how fast can you drive? How many people can afford to buy as far as marketing? I believe Lexus can make more HP, but can they sell them?

If Lexus make a SUV with 600HP, would you pay for $150K-$175K for it? With their new LC500, they already expect a low sale.

 

It really depends what you need. I don't need a status symbol. I need a capable offroad vehicle which I can also use also for towing. It's what LX is designed for. But probably more than 99% of LX customers does not need its offroad capability. So there is something wrong and T4fan is right. Lexus hardly needs an SUV of similar size designed more for street/highway driving. Unibody with independent rear suspension. Handling would be better, mpg would be better, more interior space... And it could also be cheaper.

 

Sales of the LX are up 58% from 2015 as of August. Nice try.

 

Your posts over in the LX forums never fails to entertain. Have you worn your welcome out from your GX pals?

 

Every series 200 is purchased with very little print or video advertising. When the 2017's become available, watch the feeding frenzy here...or go back to the intro days of the 2016's on this forum.


thi
You can definitely go to forums other than the one covering your vehicle. But if I wanted a luxo 4-Runner, that's what I would have bought and that forum section is where I'd spend most of my time. As was posted, a turbocharger is about the last thing I'd think about in an off-road vehicle.

 

all im saying is lexus top notch suv falls short, way short of competition. BOF can be made for on road and off. Does it have to sacrifice power and handling, no. Look at range rover sport SS (which is actually a body frame to be technical).
It seems the people who hate me here are the ones who cant handle the truth...Could care less...Its an open forum

 

I do not think anyone hates you here. Some just choose to not agree. Multiple times you have arrived here to spread you negativity about the LX in the LX forum.

What at do you expect?

 

7 years in my GL,
1 week in my LX,

I'm not going back! #LX4ME

 

Nfg. This the internet, not real life. If someone disagrees with me, I certainly don't consider it "hate". I judge myself by accomplishments and by the lives of the kids I've nurtured. Whether I'm "hated" or loved on the web to me is immaterial.

Back on topic, watch the RR SVR in a video comparo who a 200 series Toyota. It has power and handling. Given RR's traditional "reliability" numbers, and especially given that Tata now owns the company, what could go wrong with a supercharged Jaguar engine sitting on a variation of a Discovery frame?

It's also 2/3 the weight of a 200 series and has nowhere near the interior storage space and no, it won't tow as much as 200.


I heartily agree with the basic concept that vehicles used in the boondocks should be as simple as possible. I disagree with hitting a web forum devoted to a particular truck model with my opinion(s) on my perceived inadequacies with the model. Opinions, by the way, that I read about...I don't own the particular model. I own a completely different model in fact. I guess I'd expect a moderate ration of excrement. ;}


7 years in the '01 LX, 13 months in the '13 Land Cruiser.

I'm not going back either. Particularly to British cars.

 

lets be real here the LX and the AMG GLS are two different vehicles. The AMG GLS is tuned to be a on road bruiser, and never apologize for being a beast on road. Unlike its more plebian siblings the GLS AMG cannot be specd with the off road package (which would include underbody protection and off road specific driving program). You will probably love the refresh on the inside

The LX is a more of a can do everything vehicle, but really isnt tuned to be the jack of a single trade. On top of that, in terms of modernization, the Pre 16s were outdated inside compared to the other offerings, but the 16 corrected a lot of the shortcomings. The motor is the same as its always been (some improvements) but more importantly reliable as hell. No crazy electronics, or any kind of worrisome tech in there. I dont see overheating turbos or stretched timing chains in the future news of the LX. The engine will probably solder on for years to come, and the thing will sell its small unit capacity every year.

 

UOTE=DocT;9664139]You are right about the design, the set up, intercooler and heat exchange to cool down the combustion chambers of the turbo charge engine. Otherwise, it cracks the rings.
But, if a car with turbo charge runs at speed of 70mph, it runs at around 4000rpm. Other cars with non turbo charge would be running at 2000rpm at the same speed. So if you look at the engine life in terms of fires, that's half the lifespan. Turbo charge also creates higher cylinder pressure, additional stress and more heat. More heat under the hood means more things can go wrong faster.

Toyota is on top of its hybrid technology, Prius is for an example. They are not behind in turbo charge. If they could do it then, and they will have no problem do now. But they choose to concentrate in hybrid tech, and better for the environment and government mandate.

For off-road truck, one would prefer low end torque to go over boulders without pushing the throttle.[/QUOTE]
they have put a lot of focus on hybrid, yes for sure. but they are behind on putting turbo cars on the road that's a clear fact. they are doing a terrible 2L turbo that can't even match the simplest turbo car from bmw. i never said toyota is behind in turbo technology. i said they are behind in putting them in mass production lineup. that's the problem. and i am actually confident that toyota is able to make BETTER turbo cars than other manufacturers. again, look at the supra. that car will run forever. but having the technology and applying to the actual cars that they sell are two different things.

and look at the hybrid sales within lexus, i think it's not hard to see how well hybrid has helped lexus. or look at it this way, please forget about the past. project the coming 5 years, are we going to see more or less turbo cars among the lexus lineup? how about hybrid? i think that's a much more convincing evidence on what lexus is focusing on (or catching up).

fwiw, lexus just dropped the ls600hl from the 2017 lineup

 

[/QUOTE]they have put a lot of focus on hybrid, yes for sure. but they are behind on putting turbo cars on the road that's a clear fact. they are doing a terrible 2L turbo that can't even match the simplest turbo car from bmw. i never said toyota is behind in turbo technology. i said they are behind in putting them in mass production lineup. that's the problem. and i am actually confident that toyota is able to make BETTER turbo cars than other manufacturers. again, look at the supra. that car will run forever. but having the technology and applying to the actual cars that they sell are two different things.and look at the hybrid sales within lexus, i think it's not hard to see how well hybrid has helped lexus. or look at it this way, please forget about the past. project the coming 5 years, are we going to see more or less turbo cars among the lexus lineup? how about hybrid? i think that's a much more convincing evidence on what lexus is focusing on (or catching up).

fwiw, lexus just dropped the ls600hl from the 2017 lineup[/QUOTE]



Who will know what is going to happen in 5 years, but I doubt Toyota will use a lot of turbo charges in production lineup. They will continue to use hybrid , their one new lc500 will also have hybrid the following year.

Nevertheless, (the article below) 13 years from now EU will ban internal combustion engines. One will have problem finding a gas station. The fossil fuel will be the thing of the past. For this reason, I am pretty sure that they will put monies on some other technologies, rather put monies onto turbo charge engine development. Another example is ft1 also known as new Supra, Toyota will team up with BMW, they will use bmw turbo engine while Toyota will provide its hybrid. So what I am trying to say is why not use the other guy's turbo engine and put the monies for other development.

They said the BMW has " the best" turbo engine today, I doubt it. It always f **** breaks down.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...gines-by-2030/

Ls600hl is dropped for a reason , slow sale and expensive .

 

1st off can someone explain to me how a turbo charged engine is running at 4000 rpm while a NA is running at 2000 rpm? confused

2nd dont know where we got the whole ban combustion engines thing from. Until we see a solid law, all we are getting are countries who are merely spearheading suggestions for the greater nations to consider.

3rd in a generalization FI, NA, pure electric have their own purposes. The key with current fuel sources is not eliminate one over the other. If you can design a vehicle that operates with all those three in mind to take over at certain ares of driving, i think you can build an efficient drive train. Its been done with the prius, its been done with hypercars.

Dont know what this has to do with the LX vs AMG GLS but hey

 

Thank you for an excellent summary. Way too much variation in SUV's means be cautious with blanket apples v. oranges comparisons. Extremely likely to put foot (and most of leg) into mouth.


Definitely a winner from the very first post. Cheap entertainment prior to baseball tonight.