NEW LX570 Pics

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Dec 12, 2007 | 08:58 AM
  #46  
dope, I like the red one!
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Dec 12, 2007 | 09:04 AM
  #47  
Quote: One thing that I haven't seen mentioned in this back and forth is the effect of gas prices.

Back in 2000 when people where lined up to buy the new LX, gas was deemed much more affordable by the avg. buyer. While the real price of gas (when adjusted for inflation) is still quite cheap, the avg. american now deems gas mileage much more important than he/she used to. My guess is based on that perception alone, the new big SUV's from Toyota won't sell as well as the last versions did.
I'm personally very disappointed that Lexus hasn't announced anything yet on the hybrid front for the LX. Yes, the 570 will get somewhat better mpg than the 470, due to a more modern tranny and engine, but the improvement pales compared to what the hybrid Yukon and Tahoe achieve. Then you've got the Germans with their diesels.
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Dec 12, 2007 | 01:03 PM
  #48  
What tickle me the most are these mpg's comparison !
Hybrid or Diesel against the LX , what is the mileage
difference ? Is it 15 or 20 miles , I don't think so. Is more like nickels and dimes maybe 5 or 10 miles.
Then you add the reliability of the Toyota/Lexus line , where does the Tahoe , Benz , Ford , Bimmers fall in?

I like Nobel Spinel Mica with the Grey interior.
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Dec 12, 2007 | 01:13 PM
  #49  
Quote: What tickle me the most are these mpg's comparison !
Hybrid or Diesel against the LX , what is the mileage
difference ? Is it 15 or 20 miles , I don't think so. Is more like nickels and dimes maybe 5 or 10 miles.
Then you add the reliability of the Toyota/Lexus line , where does the Tahoe , Benz , Ford , Bimmers fall in?

I like Nobel Spinel Mica with the Grey interior.
TLC is at 15mpg, Yukon/Tahoe 4wd hybrid 20mpg, GL diesel 20mpg. Not a HUGE difference, but still significant imho.

If I drive 100k miles total during my time of ownership, and gas averages $4 (I think it will be higher, but just suppose), then the total gas cost for those 100k miles is $6700 higher for the LX vs the other two SUVs.
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Dec 12, 2007 | 05:37 PM
  #50  
Hi syswei

Of those 100k miles how many times will you need to fix
the Tahoe/Yukon vs. the very reliable LC/LX.
I think if you subtract some of the extra cost, the $6700 will be a lot less.
We all know that mpg depends on the driver.
The times I have chosen to drive above speed limit my mpg drops considerably.
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Dec 12, 2007 | 10:10 PM
  #51  
Quote: I'm personally very disappointed that Lexus hasn't announced anything yet on the hybrid front for the LX. Yes, the 570 will get somewhat better mpg than the 470, due to a more modern tranny and engine, but the improvement pales compared to what the hybrid Yukon and Tahoe achieve. Then you've got the Germans with their diesels.
Last time I checked, Toyota states that the average income of a LandCruiser owner is $240,000. The Lexus LX average income must be a little higher. When you are buying a $70,000 SUV and you make $240,000 I am sure you are not going to cry about $3-$4 or even $5 a gallon. Then you factor in that most people making $240,000 have another vehicle that make the LandCruiser LX not their daily driver.

The hybrid synergy drive should be in the Sequioa and not the 200 series SUVs as Sequioa owners are likely more affected by higher gas prices than 200 series owners.
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Dec 13, 2007 | 05:59 AM
  #52  
Quote: Last time I checked, Toyota states that the average income of a LandCruiser owner is $240,000. The Lexus LX average income must be a little higher. When you are buying a $70,000 SUV and you make $240,000 I am sure you are not going to cry about $3-$4 or even $5 a gallon. Then you factor in that most people making $240,000 have another vehicle that make the LandCruiser LX not their daily driver.

The hybrid synergy drive should be in the Sequioa and not the 200 series SUVs as Sequioa owners are likely more affected by higher gas prices than 200 series owners.
Just because someone can AFFORD to pay for a guzzler doesn't mean they ENJOY doing so, that they wouldn't prefer saving a few bucks by having a diesel or hybrid powertrain. Did you know that even in the mid-90s, Bill Gates (already worth many many billions at the time) absolutely refused to fly anything other than coach?

Despite my naysaying, my family will probably buy an LX570 and an S550 4matic in 2008. Obviously we can afford the gas. But I'd be happier with more fuel-efficient powertrains. From a competitive standpoint, I think Lexus is making a mistake by not bringing hybrid to the LX sooner, as it lets the MB diesel SUVs and the GM hybrid SUVs steal the show.
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Dec 13, 2007 | 07:26 AM
  #53  
Quote: I'm curious to know what standards are being used to deem the 100 series as "horrendously outdated"?
10 year old design, interior designs of all lexus have improved massively from 10 years ago sit in any of the new 06+ sedans. The difference is apparent if you compare LX470 interior vs XL570 interior pics. My mom has an 04 and my IS interior is way more modern, but to be expected from a 2 year old design vs a 10 year old design. Such a massive improvement into the 570 easily shows how aged the 470 is now. Hopefully in a few years when a used 570 comes out we will pick one up to replace the 470. Its aged compared to what Lexus is currently making. Toyo/Lex was in no hurry to redesign the LC/LX in the past several years, due to gas prices and declining big SUV sales so the design sat there and got old
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Dec 13, 2007 | 08:14 AM
  #54  
Quote: 10 year old design, interior designs of all lexus have improved massively from 10 years ago sit in any of the new 06+ sedans. The difference is apparent if you compare LX470 interior vs XL570 interior pics.
While I agree that the interior of the 570 is very nice, I don't agree that interior design has necessarily gotten better.

Unlike some, I think all the doo dads on today's cars (Audi's MMI, MB's COMMAND and BMW's simply awful I-drive) are crap. The simple, ergonomic genius of an early LS400 still stands out to me today as a great interior.

Do I think the interior of the 570 is nicer than my 470? Although I've not actually sat in one, the pictures lead me to believe that the answer is yes.

Do I think the interior of the current MB GL, RR or Cadillac are better than my 470? Absolutely, positively not.
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Dec 13, 2007 | 08:17 AM
  #55  
Quote: Toyo/Lex was in no hurry to redesign the LC/LX in the past several years, due to gas prices and declining big SUV sales so the design sat there and got old
Respectfully, I think your assumption here is rather flawed.

Whereas most Toyota models are on a short life cycle (5 years in some cases), the LandCruiser platform has always had a long life cycle. Toyota openly says that they over engineer these rigs because they expect them to be on the road 35 years. Just as they continue to refuse to adopt a flat folding third row seat at the compromise of the rear suspension, they continue to do things a little differently with the Landcruiser platform.

Toyota took a long time in premiering the 200 because that's what they always do. Not because of gas prices, etc.
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Dec 13, 2007 | 05:02 PM
  #56  
The rising $$ of gas is noticed by all income groups, believe me..This gets us into the debate over diesels and their availability here in the US..I was almost "sold" on a 2008 LC..Then I saw it (plain looking, very disappointed) and drove it (nice, but a $73,000 TOYOTA??). So, I have been waiting to see the LX. As far as what I have seen in the pics I like the LC exterior better, and the LX's interior over the LC. If one of them offered a diesel powerplant that would probably sway me, but they don't so I am still debating over a new '07 LX, '08 LC/LX and my emotional favorite the RR s/c. Don't kid yourself people, very few new buyers will EVER take a rig in this price point off road. From the "looks" of the LC/LX, that might be the best thing that has happened to Land Rover in a long time. You can repeat it till you are blue in the face all day long about LR's reliability issues, which they have had BUT, Rangies have more style and class than ANY LC or LX will ever have and that is what buyers in this price point want much more that how many inches of ground clearance it has ...and that is coming from a LR and LC owner so don't think I am biased one way or the other..I really want to like the 200 series, but it hasn't won me over.. At least not yet !!
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Dec 14, 2007 | 08:27 AM
  #57  
Quote: You can repeat it till you are blue in the face all day long about LR's reliability issues, which they have had BUT, Rangies have more style and class than ANY LC or LX will ever have and that is what buyers in this price point want much more ..
I certainly can't argue with the fact that many buyers (at least around here in S. CA) but RR solely based on caring what the neighbors think. But call me crazy... that makes me not want one even more.

Let the lemmings continue to queue up at the cliff's edge.
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Dec 14, 2007 | 09:16 AM
  #58  
I have to completely agree with Da Hapa. The LX 570 certain does bring some notable upgrades to the table but the 470 is far from obsolete, even at 10 years old.

For one, the 470 is still far better looking and has a more unique character. The comments here about the 570- Forester, Highlander, Rav 4, etc- are disappointing for an $85K Lexus, especially one that was so unique before. The LX 470 with its quad headlight design, fender flares, body molding, and unique persona will never be mistaken for anything less than a Land Cruiser. Plus, the proportions on the new car are all wrong to me. Big bubbled out fenders with wheels that look tucked too close in to the body, super long front overhang, etc.

Those of you who haven't been in an LX since the 2006 refresh need to check it out before you start commenting that the interior is poor. The leather, wood, plastics, placement, lighting, ergonomics, nav.... are some of the best in the industry, STILL. This is literally one of the best executed interiors in a vehicle today with all things considered.

The 570 interior looks a bit cluttered and as many here know, I do not care for the layout of the dash or the way they that they have laid out the colors on the interior.

Can you really look at these pictures, and tell me the new truck is better looking, more unique, and a huge overall "improvement"? I can't. Each truck has it's strong points even though the 470 is much older. That's sort of sad for Lexus.







Others here have brought up that the LX lacks the character of a RR or Escalade. Well, with the old truck I would disagree with you. It looks unique, classic and handsome, next to the RR's futuristic face and the Escalade's BLING. This new 570...looks bland and loses any identity next to it's competitors. In some respects, I think the 570 really seems like a sell out for LX history.
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Dec 14, 2007 | 02:40 PM
  #59  
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Simply beautiful. Of course, I'm obviously biased since an exact copy of that rig is sitting at home in my garage right now.
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Dec 14, 2007 | 03:17 PM
  #60  
^Agreed. One beautiful truck.

IMO, it doesn't really look outdated. The grille and LED lights give it a more modern look than previous models. I would rather they just put in the 5.7 into this bodystyle.
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