Talk me into, or out of, this situation with my 460L...
03-03-19, 07:24 PM
#16
Keep in mind the 5-series you're talking about spans two generations of car. F10=2011-2016 and G30=2017+. The engines also switched as well, the F10 (535) has the N55 I6 and the G30 (540) has the B58. Both single turbo Inline 6's. This brings up the question of buying the tried and true end of generation 2016, or wanting the newest tech but possibly lower reliability first model year 2017. I'm coming from an F10 535 which I really enjoyed. I didn't have any reliability issues with it save for a TPMS sensor. I won't make any reliability arguments for BMW on a Lexus forum though because it doesn't compare, however every manufacturer is more reliable in 2016; old stereotypes die hard. I made the choice to trade it on a used LS for long term reliability reasons so I could focus any car money towards my collector cars, not maintaining a depreciating daily driver. Hopefully that provides some direction on the BMW front. Best of luck in your search.
03-03-19, 10:45 PM
#17
Honestly you should look into the American market
They are creeping back up to their former glory year by year and its my belief that they will soon dominate the market
You want a little more mid size but sporty? Cadillac CTS-V (supercharged monster ) , supercharged mustang , hell maybe even a VETTE
Full size go for the camaro ZL1 , top scores from top to bottom , 580 HP (2012-2015) or 650 hp (2016+) should keep you entertained
Or if you really just wanna say $%^& it , im only living once, just get the Hellcat and be done with it all
They are creeping back up to their former glory year by year and its my belief that they will soon dominate the market
You want a little more mid size but sporty? Cadillac CTS-V (supercharged monster ) , supercharged mustang , hell maybe even a VETTE
Full size go for the camaro ZL1 , top scores from top to bottom , 580 HP (2012-2015) or 650 hp (2016+) should keep you entertained
Or if you really just wanna say $%^& it , im only living once, just get the Hellcat and be done with it all
03-04-19, 05:18 AM
#18
I was very very close to buying a 2009 BMW 750li Last year but once I really researched some of the problems and the biggest one was the valve seals in the V8's. The car will start smoking at a pretty low mileage. We are talking as early as 60,000 miles in some cases. It's really not a Diy repair by any means as I went over the procedure multiple times. They believe it's happening due to the super long maintenance schedule of 15000 miles which sounds like a crazy long time. I also was not very impressed by the materials in the cabin. That exterior to me though, so nice.
03-04-19, 12:43 PM
#21
Lexus Fanatic
American sedans dominating the market?! They're cancelling them left and right.
03-04-19, 02:38 PM
#22
Honestly you should look into the American market
They are creeping back up to their former glory year by year and its my belief that they will soon dominate the market
You want a little more mid size but sporty? Cadillac CTS-V (supercharged monster ) , supercharged mustang , hell maybe even a VETTE
Full size go for the camaro ZL1 , top scores from top to bottom , 580 HP (2012-2015) or 650 hp (2016+) should keep you entertained
Or if you really just wanna say $%^& it , im only living once, just get the Hellcat and be done with it all
They are creeping back up to their former glory year by year and its my belief that they will soon dominate the market
You want a little more mid size but sporty? Cadillac CTS-V (supercharged monster ) , supercharged mustang , hell maybe even a VETTE
Full size go for the camaro ZL1 , top scores from top to bottom , 580 HP (2012-2015) or 650 hp (2016+) should keep you entertained
Or if you really just wanna say $%^& it , im only living once, just get the Hellcat and be done with it all
03-04-19, 02:41 PM
#23
03-04-19, 03:05 PM
#24
What kind of issues did you have ?
I have had two C5 corvettes and they were the best purchases I ever made in my life , I made money on both of them and had zero issues
The LS based V8's will go down as the best engines in history in my opinion , simple, cheap, reliable, POWERFUL yet fuel efficient …. truly amazing
My next dream car is supercharged 5th gen camaro or 5th gen camaro ZL1
Put a down payment on one of each over the winter and none of them panned out sadly
03-04-19, 03:51 PM
#25
Lexus Fanatic
03-05-19, 01:05 PM
#26
Pole Position
Thread Starter
Keep in mind the 5-series you're talking about spans two generations of car. F10=2011-2016 and G30=2017+. The engines also switched as well, the F10 (535) has the N55 I6 and the G30 (540) has the B58. Both single turbo Inline 6's. This brings up the question of buying the tried and true end of generation 2016, or wanting the newest tech but possibly lower reliability first model year 2017. I'm coming from an F10 535 which I really enjoyed. I didn't have any reliability issues with it save for a TPMS sensor. I won't make any reliability arguments for BMW on a Lexus forum though because it doesn't compare, however every manufacturer is more reliable in 2016; old stereotypes die hard. I made the choice to trade it on a used LS for long term reliability reasons so I could focus any car money towards my collector cars, not maintaining a depreciating daily driver. Hopefully that provides some direction on the BMW front. Best of luck in your search.
03-05-19, 01:53 PM
#27
not sedans, their performance market, its by far the best bang for the buck
I personally don't like the looks of the Cadillac's and I know nothing about them other then the drive trains some of them use
What kind of issues did you have ?
I have had two C5 corvettes and they were the best purchases I ever made in my life , I made money on both of them and had zero issues
The LS based V8's will go down as the best engines in history in my opinion , simple, cheap, reliable, POWERFUL yet fuel efficient …. truly amazing
My next dream car is supercharged 5th gen camaro or 5th gen camaro ZL1
Put a down payment on one of each over the winter and none of them panned out sadly
I personally don't like the looks of the Cadillac's and I know nothing about them other then the drive trains some of them use
What kind of issues did you have ?
I have had two C5 corvettes and they were the best purchases I ever made in my life , I made money on both of them and had zero issues
The LS based V8's will go down as the best engines in history in my opinion , simple, cheap, reliable, POWERFUL yet fuel efficient …. truly amazing
My next dream car is supercharged 5th gen camaro or 5th gen camaro ZL1
Put a down payment on one of each over the winter and none of them panned out sadly
The sunroof drains get blocked, and the only way you can tell is when streams of water get behind the dash and, if you're lucky, get your carpet wet. If you're not so lucky, you get cool stuff like blown headunits, random center console electrical issues, windows that open by themselves and won't close until the car dries out, etc.
If you had the sedan, water also got into the trunk through the center brake light trim, and from there it could get behind the back seats, giving your car a nice mildew scent.
Wheel hubs died at such a rate that Cadillac stopped covering them under warranty from 2010 on. I had two go out on me, one at around 30k miles, and one at 61k miles. Over $1000 to fix those.
There were timing chain issues that could cause your engine to grenade. They did at least cover this for 10 years (and I think 120k miles), but there are cases where people had this fixed only to have it happen again within a year.
If you had the CTS4, the AWD shafts were badly designed, so driveshaft bolts would back out over time. If you were lucky, your car just stopped moving and you got it fixed for around $800. If you were unlucky, it would self-destruct at speed and take the whole AWD system with it.
The transmission is fragile - seems to have issues after 90k miles. Mine was definitely on its way out when I traded it at 96k miles.
Door locks can and will die at random times.
My father-in-law's high-pressure fuel pump died at 49k miles, over $700 to replace (at an indy shop).
My alternator died at 81k miles, a $650 fix.
The hatch struts died around the same time, but at least that was a cheap fix, at $150.
Once I realized that the transmission was going, I refused to dump any more money into it. I was happy to leave it behind when I picked up my 460.
03-05-19, 02:57 PM
#28
The Vettes might be ok, but the CTS has a myriad of issues.
The sunroof drains get blocked, and the only way you can tell is when streams of water get behind the dash and, if you're lucky, get your carpet wet. If you're not so lucky, you get cool stuff like blown headunits, random center console electrical issues, windows that open by themselves and won't close until the car dries out, etc.
If you had the sedan, water also got into the trunk through the center brake light trim, and from there it could get behind the back seats, giving your car a nice mildew scent.
Wheel hubs died at such a rate that Cadillac stopped covering them under warranty from 2010 on. I had two go out on me, one at around 30k miles, and one at 61k miles. Over $1000 to fix those.
There were timing chain issues that could cause your engine to grenade. They did at least cover this for 10 years (and I think 120k miles), but there are cases where people had this fixed only to have it happen again within a year.
If you had the CTS4, the AWD shafts were badly designed, so driveshaft bolts would back out over time. If you were lucky, your car just stopped moving and you got it fixed for around $800. If you were unlucky, it would self-destruct at speed and take the whole AWD system with it.
The transmission is fragile - seems to have issues after 90k miles. Mine was definitely on its way out when I traded it at 96k miles.
Door locks can and will die at random times.
My father-in-law's high-pressure fuel pump died at 49k miles, over $700 to replace (at an indy shop).
My alternator died at 81k miles, a $650 fix.
The hatch struts died around the same time, but at least that was a cheap fix, at $150.
Once I realized that the transmission was going, I refused to dump any more money into it. I was happy to leave it behind when I picked up my 460.
The sunroof drains get blocked, and the only way you can tell is when streams of water get behind the dash and, if you're lucky, get your carpet wet. If you're not so lucky, you get cool stuff like blown headunits, random center console electrical issues, windows that open by themselves and won't close until the car dries out, etc.
If you had the sedan, water also got into the trunk through the center brake light trim, and from there it could get behind the back seats, giving your car a nice mildew scent.
Wheel hubs died at such a rate that Cadillac stopped covering them under warranty from 2010 on. I had two go out on me, one at around 30k miles, and one at 61k miles. Over $1000 to fix those.
There were timing chain issues that could cause your engine to grenade. They did at least cover this for 10 years (and I think 120k miles), but there are cases where people had this fixed only to have it happen again within a year.
If you had the CTS4, the AWD shafts were badly designed, so driveshaft bolts would back out over time. If you were lucky, your car just stopped moving and you got it fixed for around $800. If you were unlucky, it would self-destruct at speed and take the whole AWD system with it.
The transmission is fragile - seems to have issues after 90k miles. Mine was definitely on its way out when I traded it at 96k miles.
Door locks can and will die at random times.
My father-in-law's high-pressure fuel pump died at 49k miles, over $700 to replace (at an indy shop).
My alternator died at 81k miles, a $650 fix.
The hatch struts died around the same time, but at least that was a cheap fix, at $150.
Once I realized that the transmission was going, I refused to dump any more money into it. I was happy to leave it behind when I picked up my 460.
Was it the ctsV or just the CTS?
