Is the LS 460 fun to drive??
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I don't think my 13 is a boat, I had a 96 ls400 for many years and that was a boat. It was 22lbs heavier than a 2015 rcf with 290 hp according to the vin decoder on this site.
An RWD ls460 has 386hp and weighs 4277lbs
An RCF has 467hp and weighs 3958lbs according to the vin decoder.
That's a 319lb and 81hp difference, advantage obviously to the RCF. To me that doesn't make one a sports car and the other a boat.
My 2013 awd f sport is 4717lbs with 360hp and I still don't think its a boat but my coverall, corolla is my car of choice because it's definitely fun.
An RWD ls460 has 386hp and weighs 4277lbs
An RCF has 467hp and weighs 3958lbs according to the vin decoder.
That's a 319lb and 81hp difference, advantage obviously to the RCF. To me that doesn't make one a sports car and the other a boat.
My 2013 awd f sport is 4717lbs with 360hp and I still don't think its a boat but my coverall, corolla is my car of choice because it's definitely fun.
On a draggy they were losing to my old tuned LS430
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I’ve got a 2014 LS460 F-Sport AWD in the garage, it is fun to drive in the mountains, where I live. It is not a canyon carver by any measure but it has the adjustable suspension & the nice looking 19” wheels & awesome seats. Plenty of power and thrust when desired. I love it for the V8 and impeccable quality of the interior.
Sure there are faster cars but none more reliable or sily smooth.
Sure there are faster cars but none more reliable or sily smooth.
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The air suspension RWD VGRS 460s in SWB are quite good overall, the AWD cars just honestly feel underpowered to me. I have two customers with a 2014 and a 2016 AWD Air VGRS examples and while nice cars they just don't really have the firepower you would expect.....and are very heavy.
On a draggy they were losing to my old tuned LS430
On a draggy they were losing to my old tuned LS430
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Tracked it four times, twice at a drag once at mid Ohio and once for lols at an autocross. Sucked on track, it would feel "fine" then want to taste the sand traps.....
I never liked how it acted in that respect, the 460 is more progressive and talks to you more. The A8s make you feel like god and are dangerous in the sense the limits are high enough that when you mess up you MESS up. The W12 is better about it since it has a TVD and will not spin out, just do a 4 wheel drift that you can still apply power/pull power to correct attitude.
The 4.0 gets out of sorts more easily and is harder to modulate since it lacks both a TVD and variable rack, the later being more a skill issue than the former. A TVD lets you do stupid stuff and it not matter....issue is that it doesn't have the endurance. It will overheat after 4-5 laps if you are going super hard, I'm debating if I care enough to add cooling fins to the diff lol! I've never ever came close on the street to an overheat so I probably just leave it tbh
I never liked how it acted in that respect, the 460 is more progressive and talks to you more. The A8s make you feel like god and are dangerous in the sense the limits are high enough that when you mess up you MESS up. The W12 is better about it since it has a TVD and will not spin out, just do a 4 wheel drift that you can still apply power/pull power to correct attitude.
The 4.0 gets out of sorts more easily and is harder to modulate since it lacks both a TVD and variable rack, the later being more a skill issue than the former. A TVD lets you do stupid stuff and it not matter....issue is that it doesn't have the endurance. It will overheat after 4-5 laps if you are going super hard, I'm debating if I care enough to add cooling fins to the diff lol! I've never ever came close on the street to an overheat so I probably just leave it tbh
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. The A8s make you feel like god and are dangerous in the sense the limits are high enough that when you mess up you MESS up. The W12 is better about it since it has a TVD and will not spin out, just do a 4 wheel drift that you can still apply power/pull power to correct attitude.
The 4.0 gets out of sorts more easily and is harder to modulate since it lacks both a TVD and variable rack, the later being more a skill issue than the former. A TVD lets you do stupid stuff and it not matter....issue is that it doesn't have the endurance. It will overheat after 4-5 laps if you are going super hard, I'm debating if I care enough to add cooling fins to the diff lol! I've never ever came close on the street to an overheat so I probably just leave it tbh
The 4.0 gets out of sorts more easily and is harder to modulate since it lacks both a TVD and variable rack, the later being more a skill issue than the former. A TVD lets you do stupid stuff and it not matter....issue is that it doesn't have the endurance. It will overheat after 4-5 laps if you are going super hard, I'm debating if I care enough to add cooling fins to the diff lol! I've never ever came close on the street to an overheat so I probably just leave it tbh
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It's also not tuned for as severe understeer as a 430 is.....really different in that it doesn't just give up all at once. You have to put a huge bar on the back of a 430 to get it to act more neutral
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IMO, the LS460 is a LOVELY car the drive. Most of my prior cars are German and they were fun to drive, but less comfortable. I love the luxury feel and raw power the LS460 offers. I liken the drive of my 2012 LS460 to a luxury, open ocean fast-boat. Not agile, but super stable and plenty of power! I particularly like that my car is not overly designer styled on the exterior. You don't notice it as it is sleek and subtle styled. It doesn't attract any attention.
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Yes I know how LSD's work, I just don't think the cars you're talking about were intended for or more suitable for sports use anymore than the cars you are comparing them to.
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When you say sports use do you mean something like my S4? Well the performance reality is that it can't corner as fast, can't brake as hard, can't hold a line as well, and isn't controllable past the limit as well. It's more "fun" but it's not as fast
Thats why I love these so much, they give you high luxury and at a whim can bully a corvette and will pull to 200mph. All while getting a massage and blasting music of choice on the B&O stereo.
The difference between the Audis and Lexus is staggering in performance, if you have never tried one I suggest you test drive an S8 to see how stupid capable it is.