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Old Sep 14, 2009 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Garage7RP
Thanks! I am open to any criticisms and I would like to hear your approach.
sorry but im just not a fan of that particular body kit, i dont like the wheels sticking out farther than the body, i dont know if u realize this or not but it puts a huge amount of strain on the front bearings and also the front end...that being said, that is just my oppinion and its nothing more than that an oppinion, means nothing to anyone but myself.on the other hand i think u r doing a great job,its quite obvious u either work at a body shop or have worked at one and u know what u r doing....get it all complete and i know the guys on here will be drooling, we all like to see a work in progress completed,makes for good reading and its a story we like to follow. good luck bro
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Old Sep 14, 2009 | 08:56 AM
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i dont like the wheels sticking out farther than the body,
this is one of my issues with air as well. you can either look good at ride height or be flush parked. personally i would set it up to look good while i'm driving, even if it meant being tucked in while i'm not.

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i dont know if u realize this or not but it puts a huge amount of strain on the front bearings and also the front end...
i'd like to hear the theory behind this. i've heard the same thing regarding spacers but it has been written off as negligible. i would think with a wider wheel vs. just pushing a wheel outward via spacers it would be even less so.

looking for discussion not an argument.
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Old Sep 14, 2009 | 11:38 AM
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Thank you for your opinion! On the wheel bearings, I thought this only applies on spindles. I know the front wheels has spindles and therefore should not use any wheel offsets that are 30~50mm away from the OEM wheel offsets which will go to the negative offsets. I am using +30et on the fronts and +25et on the rears on my other wheels.

I am just a hobbyist and have never had any body shop experience in my life. I do read and use this site http://www.learnautopainting.comfor reference. Believe me, it's nothing to drool on and everything is very amature. I do not want to leave any type of professional impression to mislead anyone when they see the car in person.

Thanks for the encouragement!


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sorry but im just not a fan of that particular body kit, i dont like the wheels sticking out farther than the body, i dont know if u realize this or not but it puts a huge amount of strain on the front bearings and also the front end...that being said, that is just my oppinion and its nothing more than that an oppinion, means nothing to anyone but myself.on the other hand i think u r doing a great job,its quite obvious u either work at a body shop or have worked at one and u know what u r doing....get it all complete and i know the guys on here will be drooling, we all like to see a work in progress completed,makes for good reading and its a story we like to follow. good luck bro
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Old Sep 14, 2009 | 03:39 PM
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Yeah... I was about to say that about you but thought you tell them yourself...

Now that you did.... Yes, Garage7RP is a hobbyist and do not work at a body shop. This is his very first time tackling on a big project like this. I must say I am very impressed with the progress he has made with the little tools he has. He'd be online surfing different sites to get tips and techniques on how to approach the work. The key here is "BE PATIENT". If you do not have the patience, then just pony up the $$$ and let the professional handle it. If you try to do it on your own it will just cost you more than what you could have paid someone to do the job.

Right on brother!!!
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Old Sep 14, 2009 | 03:40 PM
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http://www.familycar.com/Alignment.htm
do some research on alignment...its a matter of physics, the farther out something is the more stress is put on it. put a 3 pound weight in ur hands, then move them in 6 inches....same thing is happening to your front end, anyone who uses spacers puts stress on the studs and also the front end. i dont know if its critical or not, meaning how much sooner things will go kaapooot compared to stock,but it will effect things. so its a matter of if u r ok with replacing parts sooner rather than later
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Old Sep 14, 2009 | 04:05 PM
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http://www.familycar.com/Alignment.htm
do some research on alignment...its a matter of physics, the farther out something is the more stress is put on it. put a 3 pound weight in ur hands, then move them in 6 inches....same thing is happening to your front end, anyone who uses spacers puts stress on the studs and also the front end. i dont know if its critical or not, meaning how much sooner things will go kaapooot compared to stock,but it will effect things. so its a matter of if u r ok with replacing parts sooner rather than later
i am fairly well educated in suspension geometry and function.

common sense (i.e. no hard data) tells me the lever effect is minimal. the example you mention uses an inner pivot point, while a wheel has a theoretical pivot point closer to the center line which is countered by the backspacing of a wider wheel.

i would also say that using wheel/hub centric spacers of a reasonable size will add minimal strain on suspension components.

so while i agree that there is probably some additional strain either way, i am going to maintain that it is minor. i would be interested to see well documented evidence otherwise though (not that it would change how i do things).
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Old Sep 14, 2009 | 04:45 PM
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I'd have to agree on trying to avoid using wheel spacers and get the proper offset instead....

A breaker bar for example. The longer it is, the less energy we have to use to tighten or loosen a bolt right? So the farther the wheels are from the hub, the more strain it does on it.

Not an argument... Just all for good discussion and share ideas.
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Old Sep 14, 2009 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by masagsxr
I'd have to agree on trying to avoid using wheel spacers and get the proper offset instead....

A breaker bar for example. The longer it is, the less energy we have to use to tighten or loosen a bolt right? So the farther the wheels are from the hub, the more strain it does on it.

Not an argument... Just all for good discussion and share ideas.
same theory that python was referring to. my rebuttal is instead of imagining it as a lever imagine it as a see-saw with a prop under the opposite end. upward force on one edge of the wheel results in downward force on the other. since the road is an immovable object i just don't see the off-center force being consequential.

i do agree about buying the correct widths/offsets whenever possible in lieu of using spacers, however i disagree that oem widths/offsets are the "correct" specs if for no other reason than cosmetics.
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Old Sep 18, 2009 | 07:47 PM
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Rear bumper is painted and installed...

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Old Sep 18, 2009 | 07:52 PM
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got some new overall pics? whould be lookin pretty nice about now.
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Old Sep 18, 2009 | 07:57 PM
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Sorry but not yet. I am still working on the sideskirts and door caps. Everytime I thought I am ready to paint them I kept on finding surface imperfections .

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got some new overall pics? whould be lookin pretty nice about now.

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Old Sep 18, 2009 | 09:49 PM
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It looks like the bumpers are a whole different shade of black, is this just the pics?
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Old Sep 18, 2009 | 10:50 PM
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I hope you didn't spray can it.
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Old Sep 19, 2009 | 03:43 PM
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I hope you didn't spray can it.

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Old Sep 19, 2009 | 03:47 PM
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I hope it's just the lighting...

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It looks like the bumpers are a whole different shade of black, is this just the pics?
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