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Old Mar 27, 2012 | 09:17 AM
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The car listed as new from what I read
Strange that they can do this considering this one has already been registered
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Old Mar 27, 2012 | 09:24 AM
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Sometimes dealerships don't title the car and drive around with temp dealer tags.
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Old Mar 27, 2012 | 09:26 AM
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In this case the car had a vanity plate lxus lfa
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Old Mar 27, 2012 | 10:12 AM
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Weren't all LFA supposed to be sold under a lease only?
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Old Mar 27, 2012 | 10:26 AM
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A purchase option was added
This is a dealer's personal car
I am wondering how the $30k in sales tax he has into the registration gets handled on something like this
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Old Mar 29, 2012 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by S2000toIS350
The car listed as new from what I read
Strange that they can do this considering this one has already been registered
That's either a crazy loophole, or an unfair advantage for these owners. I know that Lexus Canada's vehicles are routinely registered and driven for several thousands Kms, and still qualify to be resold as new by dealers.
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Old Mar 29, 2012 | 10:27 AM
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that's been around for a long time. a lot of rich people they set something up and then get cars, drive with no need of registration and other stuff, etc...
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Old Mar 30, 2012 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 07grIS350
That's either a crazy loophole, or an unfair advantage for these owners. I know that Lexus Canada's vehicles are routinely registered and driven for several thousands Kms, and still qualify to be resold as new by dealers.
In the US, unless it's Titled/Registered, it's technically "new". Yes, I consider this a loop hole.
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Old Mar 30, 2012 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GrnLantern
In the US, unless it's Titled/Registered, it's technically "new". Yes, I consider this a loop hole.

Actually it's not, it's dictated by state law. Some states unless it's being driven from one dealership to another and within a specified distance, it can't be labeled new. Even cars that go out for test drives have to be listed as used. Can't go by title/registration alone.
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Old Mar 30, 2012 | 01:42 PM
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Not really surprised by this lots of rich people buy cars like this then sell them for what they paid in a year, so that way when there is alot of talk about the car they can say they have one but once it cools off they will sell it and not have to spend alot and buy what ever new car is coming out and do the same thing.
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Old Apr 4, 2012 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by oohpapi44
Actually it's not, it's dictated by state law. Some states unless it's being driven from one dealership to another and within a specified distance, it can't be labeled new. Even cars that go out for test drives have to be listed as used. Can't go by title/registration alone.
what states are those? thats odd. i do finance at a dealership and have never heard of that.
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Old Apr 4, 2012 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LEXUSF
what states are those? thats odd. i do finance at a dealership and have never heard of that.
Here's a lengthy article with some details. Just saying that it's not always cut and dry when it comes to registation/titling

When it comes to selling a car, one would assume that it is relatively easy to determine whether it is new or used. Dealerships have new and used car departments, newspapers have classifieds fro new and used car categories, and service contract and finance programs differ depending upon whether a vehicle is new or used. In reality, however, this issue is one of the most complicated a motor vehicle dealer has to deal with. There is a maze of Federal and State Laws that impact whether a motor vehicle is characterized as new or used, including the Automobile Information Disclosure Act (The Monroney Law) and the Federal Trade Commission’s (FTC) Used Car Rule, Federal and State Taxation Laws, State Unfair and Deceptive Acts and Practices (UDAP) Statutes, and State Titling and Advertising Laws. As strange as it may sound, there may even be times when a motor vehicle is appropriately characterized as both new and used at the same time depending on which Law you are applying.

The logical starting point in determining whether a vehicle is new or used is the definition of a new motor vehicle under the Automobile Information Disclosure Act. This Act defines a “new automobile” as “an automobile the equitable or legal title to which has never been transferred by a manufacturer, distributor or dealer to an ultimate purchaser.” Many State Titling Laws use a similar standard, differentiating between new and used motor vehicles on the basis of whether a vehicle has been titled in the name of an ultimate purchaser or end-user. While the application of these standards seem straightforward, the analysis becomes more complicated when mileage is put on a vehicle before it is sold to an ultimate purchaser.

Consider this set of facts from a case that came before the Florida New Motor Vehicle Dealer Administration Board. In Germain v. General Motors Corporation, the manufacturer argued that a vehicle returned by the consumer pursuant to Florida’s Lemon Law was not covered under the Lemon Law because it was not a new or demonstrator vehicle. The vehicle was used by an employee of the manufacturer as a “company car” for approximately one year before it was sold at retail to the consumer. At the time of sale, the Purchase Agreement, the Used Vehicle Buyer’s Guide affixed to the window of the vehicle, and the application for title submitted by the selling dealership all identified the vehicle as “used,” which was the correct disclosure under the FTC’s Used Car Rule. The FTC defines a “used vehicle” as “any vehicle which has been driven more than the limited use necessary in moving or road testing a new vehicle prior to delivery to a consumer…” However, after considering Florida’s definition of a used motor vehicle, the prior use of the vehicle, and the fact that neither the manufacturer nor the dealer had transferred title or possession of the vehicle to an ultimate purchaser prior to its acquisition by the consumer, the Board declared that it was “new” for purposes of Florida’s Lemon Law.

Federal and State Taxation Laws and State Advertising Laws may produce yet a different result. For example, Federal Revenue Procedure 2001-23, which provides an alternative last-in, first-out (LIFO) inventory computation method for taxpayers that sell used vehicles, clarifies that the term “used vehicle” for purposes of the Used Vehicle LIFO Method refers to previously titled vehicles and does not include demonstrator vehicles. State Advertising Laws will typically include another set of definitions for “new” and “used” vehicles and “demonstrator,” “factory official,” and “executive” vehicles as well. While one State may include demonstrator, factory official and executive vehicles in the definition of “new” for purposes of advertising disclosures, others may require dealers to advertise such vehicles as “used.” In a few states there is even a category of “new demonstrator.” In Ohio, for example, a “demonstrator” means “a new motor vehicle of the current or previous model year, for sale only by an authorized dealer of the same make and model, which is available for demonstration purposes to prospective purchasers whether operated by the dealer, its agents or employees, a third party or prospective purchaser, and has been driven less than six thousand miles.

Keep in mind that most State UDAP Statutes and Advertising Rules require that any material statements be reduced to writing and integrated into the Retail Purchase Agreement for the transaction. If a Monroney Sticker is posted in the vehicle’s window together with an FTC Buyer’s Guide and the Retail Purchase Agreement identifies it as a new demonstrator vehicle, the dealer is well advised to explain in writing whether the vehicle is new or used and under which regulations. The actual disclosures made will depend upon State Law. Whether a vehicle is new, used or a demonstrator may also impact a number of other disclosures made in connection with the sale, such as the warranty statement (i.e. whether or not the vehicle may be sold “As-Is” under State Law), state inspection disclosures, and the sales tax calculation.

As is often the case in the motor vehicle industry, something that appears simple at first blush can turn out to be very complicated given the maze of laws and regulations that govern the issue. And this is even before taking into consideration vehicles returned when financing cannot be obtained as contemplated with a spot delivery. Considering the issues raised in this article, bringing up-to-date your Retail Purchase Agreement and modifying your sales procedures is the first step to eliminating this regulatory confusion.
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