MHP ECU/TCU Thread (updated with v1 gains: Graphs/Spreadsheet Breakdown)
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Agreed 100%
I think your company needs to put up or shut up(no dis respect meant) Yes everyone has said no one has been able to tune a toyota......but maybe just maybe since everyone says it cant be done no one has even tried! I would hope that you could tune the ISF because that would make this great car even better.
Again you should offer to either tune someones car for free(with all damages,expenses etc.. on your dime) to prove your companys ability.
I for one would think it would be awesome if we had a legit ECU/TCU mod and would probably purchase it for my ISF if the results were proven.
The ball (and profits) are really in your court MHP
I think your company needs to put up or shut up(no dis respect meant) Yes everyone has said no one has been able to tune a toyota......but maybe just maybe since everyone says it cant be done no one has even tried! I would hope that you could tune the ISF because that would make this great car even better.
Again you should offer to either tune someones car for free(with all damages,expenses etc.. on your dime) to prove your companys ability.
I for one would think it would be awesome if we had a legit ECU/TCU mod and would probably purchase it for my ISF if the results were proven.
The ball (and profits) are really in your court MHP
Cutting a free tune is rather insulting actually. I wouldn't ask anyone to work for 2-3 days for free (again taking into account the fact they already have plenty of work from paying customers) to prove anything to me if they offered a 100% $ back guarantee on their products/services.
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It is the norm for the seller of a product to show the product in its completed form to the buyers so that they can decide on the purchase. No matter how good a potential product is and no matter what kind of warranty it comes with, if it is just a promise with money back guarantee, it would be a hard sell.
Andy, you must also realize that the Lexus buyer is different from the BMW or the Merc buyer. The Lexus buyer is just as affluent but a lot more concerned about the quality and dependability of the products they purchase. Which explains their preference for a car that may not have the "Euro mystique" but rather relies on bullet proof quality as the foundation of its emerging "status" symbol.
I have no doubt that if you were to make the effort to show an actual product with the power and reliability that you are so certain of, then the prudent members of this forum will embrace it wholeheartedly.
Best of luck and I hope you make the effort. It will be definitely worth your while.
Andy, you must also realize that the Lexus buyer is different from the BMW or the Merc buyer. The Lexus buyer is just as affluent but a lot more concerned about the quality and dependability of the products they purchase. Which explains their preference for a car that may not have the "Euro mystique" but rather relies on bullet proof quality as the foundation of its emerging "status" symbol.
I have no doubt that if you were to make the effort to show an actual product with the power and reliability that you are so certain of, then the prudent members of this forum will embrace it wholeheartedly.
Best of luck and I hope you make the effort. It will be definitely worth your while.
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It is the norm for the seller of a product to show the product in its completed form to the buyers so that they can decide on the purchase. No matter how good a potential product is and no matter what kind of warranty it comes with, if it is just a promise with money back guarantee, it would be a hard sell.
Andy, you must also realize that the Lexus buyer is different from the BMW or the Merc buyer. The Lexus buyer is just as affluent but a lot more concerned about the quality and dependability of the products they purchase. Which explains their preference for a car that may not have the "Euro mystique" but rather relies on bullet proof quality as the foundation of its emerging "status" symbol.
I have no doubt that if you were to make the effort to show an actual product with the power and reliability that you are so certain of, then the prudent members of this forum will embrace it wholeheartedly.
Best of luck and I hope you make the effort. It will be definitely worth your while.
Andy, you must also realize that the Lexus buyer is different from the BMW or the Merc buyer. The Lexus buyer is just as affluent but a lot more concerned about the quality and dependability of the products they purchase. Which explains their preference for a car that may not have the "Euro mystique" but rather relies on bullet proof quality as the foundation of its emerging "status" symbol.
I have no doubt that if you were to make the effort to show an actual product with the power and reliability that you are so certain of, then the prudent members of this forum will embrace it wholeheartedly.
Best of luck and I hope you make the effort. It will be definitely worth your while.
Alright, you win. Even though in this day and age (interenet forums) a $ back guarantee is pretty much as good as it gets, as any entity dumb enough to not refund a customer will have a very short shelf life.
I hope that it's ok to post that since we're not making any sort of profit (actually losing $/hrs calibrating, plus building the check sum software) and if we're really the only ones that can tune, all the other sponsors that sell hard parts shouldn't have an issue since we'll optimize what they have to offer with our tuning.
In order to get this going as quickly as possible for everyone (you, the site, us). Pick (as in the collective membership) one objective tester, someone that can preferably get both dyno (DynoJet, SAE CF, 1:1) and track results on 93 octane (since that's what most of the country has), and whose credibility is unquestioned. We will do one tune for free at which time said elected member objectively tests and posts their results. If they're favorable and people are interested we'll instantly become sponsors and everyone wins.
If it's ok with the site, please begin the selection process.
Thanks
Andy
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Andy, you must also realize that the Lexus buyer is different from the BMW or the Merc buyer. The Lexus buyer is just as affluent but a lot more concerned about the quality and dependability of the products they purchase. Which explains their preference for a car that may not have the "Euro mystique" but rather relies on bullet proof quality as the foundation of its emerging "status" symbol.
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Andy, members will want to know what your assumptions are for location (OH?), how long you'll need their car, any risks you think they should be aware of and best-guess timeframe to start.
Last edited by DaveGS4; Nov 26, 2008 at 06:21 AM.
