SSworks

LOL Agreed, lets hope Toyota doesn't water down the ammo for the borrowed gun IF they borrow a gun.

JNP1227

iTrader: (1)

I agree with you there, they will develop a car to maintain current figures etc to maintain #1 reliability. The new LS500 makes 416hp and 442 tq. Put that engine in our current 3IS and you finally have a car walking S4,C43, 340iM. As far as the F platform, they will either use the same V8 and tweak it to add a few more HP or develop a new platform with forced induction producing mid 400hp but not 500hp. LFA is only car lexus has produced that has made over 500hp. Next will be the LC-F. Again just my theory.

E46CT

New 340i xDrive will do 0-60 in 3.8-3.9s. A non-F IS walking those times would mean a true F would be in super car territory.

TOPENDMS

SSworks

That's never the case, more like its cheaper to outsource and test the waters than to commit financially to something new.

anthonys2r

iTrader: (1)

lol @ guy asking for 450-500hp on an IS. Thats C7/5.0L Mustang territory.

Yes Lexus IS lineup needs a HP boost, but they aren't in a HP war with other manufacturers. They know they have legendary reliability/low maintenance costs on their side, and won't jeopardize that. How many IS250/200t's do you see on the road compared to C300/330i/A5? They are doing just fine in their segment. One of the reasons why the ISF/RCF/GSF, isn't doing as well is they were/are trying to compete with the M3/M5/C63 AMG on a HP front and that just isn't Lexus. Those that are craving HP (as their number 1 priority) aren't going to give the F lineup a second look.

My prediction is maybe a 330-350 crank HP for the next gen IS. And thats an aggressive prediction. Now if they are going to use a V6 or I6, I'm not sure.

AtomicAWD

Agreed, exactly. Lexus' demographic is not performance-minded folks looking for the most power available. Anything sub-14 in the quarter is more than adequate for the majority of people. Yes they'll increase power, but I don't see going to a standard 400+hp. If they do, it would be another relatively limited-run IS-F or some sort of special edition/option.

evident

Bring it. Would be great news since Toyota refuses to update their v6s

MatrixPC

Modernize the 2JZ and call it a day

JBison73

You expect their entry level sedan will come close to 500hp? Come on! And what is with the obsession with this much horsepower these days? Who needs that much horsepower, unless you take it to a track. We all like power and want more of it with the Lexus IS, but expecting that much of a jump is setting yourself up for disappointment.

I don't even see the next IS cracking 400hp unless there is an ISF version. The 100k LC500 doesn't even hit 500hp.

arentz07

The C63S has 503. The Giulia QF has 505. The lower-trim versions of those cars are considered to be in the same class as the IS.

IS 350 no longer competes with the midrange engine options anymore, such as the BMW 340i, C43, or even G70 3.3T. And the RC F, while mostly competitive in terms of handling, was never better in terms of acceleration than its rivals. Maybe from 60-120 it was comparable, but certainly not 0-60, as it lacked the low-end torque of its turbocharged competition.

I'd say it seems like time for Lexus to actually throw down this time. I definitely support the idea of a TT V6 option, hopefully with significantly more power than in the LS. If they stick with the NA V8, let's hope they at least can shed some weight. I understand your viewpoint - better to be pessimistic than to have your hopes shattered. Don't get me wrong, 300ish horsepower is enough for me as a daily, but I am thinking they've sat on their laurels long enough.

Flash5

WhyHateTho

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/21/...ht-six-engine/

AtomicAWD

...despite rabid protestations to the contrary.

SSworks

If it doesnt crack 400hp the entire line up is dead.