IS350 vs IS350 F Sport
#1
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IS350 vs IS350 F Sport
Hi, I'm looking at buying a IS350 and I have some pretty specific questions that i haven't seen answered anywhere else, so I figured I would ask them here.
1. Is the ML audio upgrade worth it and can you get it on a non F Sport? The only cars I've seen it on are F Sports. I've seen bantering back and forth, but I'm looking for a more discerning post, not just "nah it sucks" or "yeah, it's incredible".
2. Is the difference between Sport and Sport+ only in the active dampening, or does it change the transmission and engine parameters too? Put another way, is the only difference between them suspension related or is the F Sport gaining faster shifts and the like?
3. I can't seem to nail it down, the threads seem dubious but is it possible to swap in the gauge cluster? I admit that I love the cool LFA gauge cluster and I'll have to stare at it all the time, might as well be something I like.
4. Are the seats swappable? My wife doesn't like all the heavy bolstering in the F Sport so I've thought about finding a (good) used seat for the passenger side, and yes, I know it'll look funny.
5. It seems the cars are mostly on equal footing when it comes to 0-60 and quarter mile times, so the F sport just looks better (SUBJECTIVELY!) and handles better, right?
Thanks!
1. Is the ML audio upgrade worth it and can you get it on a non F Sport? The only cars I've seen it on are F Sports. I've seen bantering back and forth, but I'm looking for a more discerning post, not just "nah it sucks" or "yeah, it's incredible".
2. Is the difference between Sport and Sport+ only in the active dampening, or does it change the transmission and engine parameters too? Put another way, is the only difference between them suspension related or is the F Sport gaining faster shifts and the like?
3. I can't seem to nail it down, the threads seem dubious but is it possible to swap in the gauge cluster? I admit that I love the cool LFA gauge cluster and I'll have to stare at it all the time, might as well be something I like.
4. Are the seats swappable? My wife doesn't like all the heavy bolstering in the F Sport so I've thought about finding a (good) used seat for the passenger side, and yes, I know it'll look funny.
5. It seems the cars are mostly on equal footing when it comes to 0-60 and quarter mile times, so the F sport just looks better (SUBJECTIVELY!) and handles better, right?
Thanks!
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Hi, I'm looking at buying a IS350 and I have some pretty specific questions that i haven't seen answered anywhere else, so I figured I would ask them here.
1. Is the ML audio upgrade worth it and can you get it on a non F Sport? The only cars I've seen it on are F Sports. I've seen bantering back and forth, but I'm looking for a more discerning post, not just "nah it sucks" or "yeah, it's incredible".
2. Is the difference between Sport and Sport+ only in the active dampening, or does it change the transmission and engine parameters too? Put another way, is the only difference between them suspension related or is the F Sport gaining faster shifts and the like?
3. I can't seem to nail it down, the threads seem dubious but is it possible to swap in the gauge cluster? I admit that I love the cool LFA gauge cluster and I'll have to stare at it all the time, might as well be something I like.
4. Are the seats swappable? My wife doesn't like all the heavy bolstering in the F Sport so I've thought about finding a (good) used seat for the passenger side, and yes, I know it'll look funny.
5. It seems the cars are mostly on equal footing when it comes to 0-60 and quarter mile times, so the F sport just looks better (SUBJECTIVELY!) and handles better, right?
Thanks!
1. Is the ML audio upgrade worth it and can you get it on a non F Sport? The only cars I've seen it on are F Sports. I've seen bantering back and forth, but I'm looking for a more discerning post, not just "nah it sucks" or "yeah, it's incredible".
2. Is the difference between Sport and Sport+ only in the active dampening, or does it change the transmission and engine parameters too? Put another way, is the only difference between them suspension related or is the F Sport gaining faster shifts and the like?
3. I can't seem to nail it down, the threads seem dubious but is it possible to swap in the gauge cluster? I admit that I love the cool LFA gauge cluster and I'll have to stare at it all the time, might as well be something I like.
4. Are the seats swappable? My wife doesn't like all the heavy bolstering in the F Sport so I've thought about finding a (good) used seat for the passenger side, and yes, I know it'll look funny.
5. It seems the cars are mostly on equal footing when it comes to 0-60 and quarter mile times, so the F sport just looks better (SUBJECTIVELY!) and handles better, right?
Thanks!
2. sport and sport + only difference is dampening then normal to sports it changes engine parameters with holding gears at higher rpms for longer and such
3. gauge swaps dont remember if it was swapable but it would cost so much it wouldnt be worth it. I love the LFA style gauge thats the first thing i show my passengers haha
4. no sure. is the only difference the bolstering? i love the way i fit in the f sport seats its hugs you and the lumbar support! (5'10 165lbs)
5. is this car for you or your wife? if its for you get the f sport cause i know youll regret getting the non sport.
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NoMoreBimm (05-07-18)
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Thanks - the reason I'm curious about the difference between them is there's a small price difference, but largely it's because I like the tan interior, but that's not an option on the F Sport, they can only be gray, black or red. I guess it's not a big deal, but i'll be staring at it for many years, so I'd like make sure I get my money's worth.
#4
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In Sport+, the steering gets pretty heavy. Also, the F-Sport suspension has AVS so it does feel noticeably sportier overall.
Driving enthusiasts notice but others may not. I would test drive both and see if it matters to you.
Edit: AVS can be felt in all modes. Sport+ mode makes the dampers stiffer for really aggressive driving.
Driving enthusiasts notice but others may not. I would test drive both and see if it matters to you.
Edit: AVS can be felt in all modes. Sport+ mode makes the dampers stiffer for really aggressive driving.
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In Sport+, the steering gets pretty heavy. Also, the F-Sport suspension has AVS so it does feel noticeably sportier overall.
Driving enthusiasts notice but others may not. I would test drive both and see if it matters to you.
Edit: AVS can be felt in all modes. Sport+ mode makes the dampers stiffer for really aggressive driving.
Driving enthusiasts notice but others may not. I would test drive both and see if it matters to you.
Edit: AVS can be felt in all modes. Sport+ mode makes the dampers stiffer for really aggressive driving.
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Looks better/handles better package. don't forget the F Sport headliner which is unique and sets it apart from non f-sports.
Loved it in my CT200h F Sport (felt so premium compared to the standard gray headliner) and now in my IS
Loved it in my CT200h F Sport (felt so premium compared to the standard gray headliner) and now in my IS
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NoMoreBimm (05-07-18)
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Thanks for the insight, I didn't realize the headliner was different, that's pretty cool! The more I learn the more I realize that the F Sport is really the only way for me to go, even if I can't get the tan interior in it. Also, E46CT - I went through some of your DIYs in your signature and they're great. If I end up with an IS (and I should...) then I will DEFINITELY be doing some of them. Thanks!
#10
For sure! Yes the F Sport is a no brainer, in my opinion. F sport also gets a different brake booster (for whatever reason) so maybe it stops faster? =D
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I just noticed the AWD version gets a 6 speed while the RWD gets an 8 speed, I can't fathom that they perform very different, but is there any difference in the shifting speed or responsiveness of the transmission?
#12
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Originally Posted by NoMoreBimm
I just noticed the AWD version gets a 6 speed while the RWD gets an 8 speed, I can't fathom that they perform very different, but is there any difference in the shifting speed or responsiveness of the transmission?
The bigger difference will be in driving feel between the AWD and RWD. The AWD will tend to plow into corners more and feel a little less nimble than the RWD. It's similar to the difference in the AWD vs RWD BMWs.
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NoMoreBimm (05-08-18)
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Ah ok, got ya. I had contemplated the AWD version because we can get some snow here in Ohio, but from what I've read about the RWD IS350 it's not that bad in the snow, worst case get some snow tires. Also, I drove a C5 Corvette through the winter last year, so I feel just about anything out there will fare better. Thanks again, I'll aim for a RWD, but be content if the right AWD shows up instead.
#14
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Back in 2013 when the 3IS came out, Motor Trend did a fairly extensive review of each model (250, 350 AWD, 350 RWD F Sport). It's getting a bit dated, but still relevant.
A couple relevant points to your questions:
Of the 350 AWD (non F Sport):
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/lexus...-awd-update-3/
Of the 350 RWD F Sport:
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/lexus...port-update-5/
A couple relevant points to your questions:
Of the 350 AWD (non F Sport):
When it comes to how the car drives, the difference is less obvious. You might expect the AWD would change the handling characteristics, but it isn’t noticeable. The steering is no heavier and no less communicative, and there’s no hint of torque steer. An advantage of the full-time all-wheel drive system is you’ll never feel the front axle connecting and disconnecting, which means it won’t upset the handling. A disadvantage is a small penalty in fuel economy, which is already slightly low for the class. Understeer is still the default when you test the limits.
Of the 350 RWD F Sport:
Before we get into the numbers, I’ll explain what the F Sport package is and isn’t. This is not the new IS F. It’s got the same 306-hp V-6 as the standard IS 350, making the same 277 lb-ft of torque. As this one is rear-wheel drive, it’s paired with an eight-speed automatic rather than the all-wheel-drive car’s six-speed auto. What the F Sport package does, performance-wise, is add a Sport S+ mode to the drive mode selector (in addition to regular old Sport), adaptive damping, and exclusive 18-inch wheels on Bridgestone Turanza summer touring tires. Cosmetically, the F Sport package does a lot more, adding a new front bumper, LED headlights, leather steering wheel, leather shift ****, heated leather seats, aluminum pedals, black headliner, and a very cool reconfigurable digital instrument cluster lifted from the LFA supercar. Not listed on the window sticker is a valve in the air intake that lets a nice growl of induction noise into the cabin when you’re hard on the gas.
That’s what F Sport is. Here’s what it does: Our long-term F Sport needed 5.6 seconds to hit 60 mph and 14.0 seconds flat to run the quarter-mile, trapping at 99.8 mph. You’ll note, though, that this is slower than the IS 350 AWD it replaced in the long-term fleet. That car, with its all-wheel-drive grip, got a much better launch and hit 60 mph in 5.3 seconds on the way to a 13.9-second quarter mile at 99.4 mph. The rear-wheel-drive F Sport had some trouble putting the power down, something I think better tires would’ve helped, perhaps Potenzas instead of Turanzas.
That’s what F Sport is. Here’s what it does: Our long-term F Sport needed 5.6 seconds to hit 60 mph and 14.0 seconds flat to run the quarter-mile, trapping at 99.8 mph. You’ll note, though, that this is slower than the IS 350 AWD it replaced in the long-term fleet. That car, with its all-wheel-drive grip, got a much better launch and hit 60 mph in 5.3 seconds on the way to a 13.9-second quarter mile at 99.4 mph. The rear-wheel-drive F Sport had some trouble putting the power down, something I think better tires would’ve helped, perhaps Potenzas instead of Turanzas.
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NoMoreBimm (05-08-18)
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Thanks, I appreciate that and it answers all my questions. It's settled: AWD or RWD isn't really important, so which ever pops up with the better deal is what I'll go for. I just wish I could hear the base audio vs the ML audio, because finding one with ML audio is proving very elusive.