Philips ultinon 6k or garax 6k
03-13-13, 07:17 PM
#46
Yes, as long as we all got a common understanding, all of us are fine. I was just saying that.
Just the way in the earlier part of the conversation when I was reading it before I started responding it was like wha?!??!
.Just the way in the earlier part of the conversation when I was reading it before I started responding it was like wha?!??!
Last edited by Sango; 03-13-13 at 07:21 PM.
03-13-13, 08:42 PM
#47
I have to agree too. If the price is too good to be true, it's counterfeit.
Essentially means supralative, you got burned because they are not genuine Philips.
Here is the pictures to show differences between genuine and counterfeit.
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http://www.yonex.com/sports/badminto...g-counterfeits
Another good example is anime DVDs on Ebay. Almost 99% of them is counterfeit!
Essentially means supralative, you got burned because they are not genuine Philips.
Here is the pictures to show differences between genuine and counterfeit.
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http://www.yonex.com/sports/badminto...g-counterfeits
Another good example is anime DVDs on Ebay. Almost 99% of them is counterfeit!
Thanks for posting photos of fake vs real.
Does anyone know what the red salt does in the HID bulb?
03-14-13, 09:36 AM
#50
To beat it to death some more, couldn't supralative been refering to Philips CrystalVision, not Ultinon?
To support supralative, just because it's not authentic doesn't mean it's not good. A lot of factories run their manufacturing process overcapacity to produce more goods that can be sold outside of the company they are producing it for.
Just because the glass bottom, glass tip, or insulator tube is not the same does not mean that it was not made at the same facility. I have no comment about the quality, but I'm sure they can reproduce a similar objective (shine bright like a diamond).
To support supralative, just because it's not authentic doesn't mean it's not good. A lot of factories run their manufacturing process overcapacity to produce more goods that can be sold outside of the company they are producing it for.
Just because the glass bottom, glass tip, or insulator tube is not the same does not mean that it was not made at the same facility. I have no comment about the quality, but I'm sure they can reproduce a similar objective (shine bright like a diamond).
Last edited by ericsan13; 03-14-13 at 09:38 AM. Reason: grammar
03-14-13, 04:33 PM
#51
To beat it to death some more, couldn't supralative been refering to Philips CrystalVision, not Ultinon?
To support supralative, just because it's not authentic doesn't mean it's not good. A lot of factories run their manufacturing process overcapacity to produce more goods that can be sold outside of the company they are producing it for.
Just because the glass bottom, glass tip, or insulator tube is not the same does not mean that it was not made at the same facility. I have no comment about the quality, but I'm sure they can reproduce a similar objective (shine bright like a diamond).
To support supralative, just because it's not authentic doesn't mean it's not good. A lot of factories run their manufacturing process overcapacity to produce more goods that can be sold outside of the company they are producing it for.
Just because the glass bottom, glass tip, or insulator tube is not the same does not mean that it was not made at the same facility. I have no comment about the quality, but I'm sure they can reproduce a similar objective (shine bright like a diamond).
Not authentic can be not good especially tricking the unsuspected into purchasing the product under the assumption it's the genuine article. If the person knows they are getting a counterfeit item and getting it anyways, that's a different story and it's up to them; its a gamble if the quality is good or not.
I'm sure Philips doesn't want to ruin their reputation by producing counterfeits from their Germany factory for these bulbs. Something called audits, contracts and other things which could have them end up in legal troubles.
Also, just to note, Ultinon are made on a limited production.
Last edited by Sango; 03-14-13 at 05:10 PM.
03-15-13, 09:16 AM
#52
One slight problem.... CrystalVision doesn't exist for the D4 line.
Not authentic can be not good especially tricking the unsuspected into purchasing the product under the assumption it's the genuine article. If the person knows they are getting a counterfeit item and getting it anyways, that's a different story and it's up to them; its a gamble if the quality is good or not.
I'm sure Philips doesn't want to ruin their reputation by producing counterfeits from their Germany factory for these bulbs. Something called audits, contracts and other things which could have them end up in legal troubles.
Also, just to note, Ultinon are made on a limited production.
Not authentic can be not good especially tricking the unsuspected into purchasing the product under the assumption it's the genuine article. If the person knows they are getting a counterfeit item and getting it anyways, that's a different story and it's up to them; its a gamble if the quality is good or not.
I'm sure Philips doesn't want to ruin their reputation by producing counterfeits from their Germany factory for these bulbs. Something called audits, contracts and other things which could have them end up in legal troubles.
Also, just to note, Ultinon are made on a limited production.
03-15-13, 09:53 AM
#53
As for the price, one factors is the limited production they produce.
Last edited by Sango; 03-15-13 at 10:18 AM.
03-15-13, 11:44 AM
#55
I threw this together:
Model---------------- Temp-- Lumens--- Type AKA
Philips 85122---------- 4300K- 3200----- D2S-
Philips 85122 CM------ 5000K- 3100----- D2S- Colormatch
Philips 85122 CX------ 5000K- 3100----- D2S- CrystalVision
Philips 85122 WX------ 6000K- 2400----- D2S- Ultinon Flash White
Osram Xenarc 66240CBI 5000K- 3400----- D2S- Cool Blue Intense
Osram Xenarc 66240CBI 5500K- 3200----- D2S- Cool Blue Intense
Osram Xenarc 66440--- 4150K- 3200----- D4S- Stock reference
Philips 42402CX-------- 5000K- 3200----- D4S- Ultinon Flash Clear/XenEco
Philips 42402WX-------- 6000K- 2400----- D4S- Ultinon Flash White
XenonDepot D4S------- 5000K- 2880-2976 D4S- 7-10% less than stock
http://www.lighting.philips.co.jp/pw...chart_2011.pdf
I hate that you can't paste tables in here...
Model---------------- Temp-- Lumens--- Type AKA
Philips 85122---------- 4300K- 3200----- D2S-
Philips 85122 CM------ 5000K- 3100----- D2S- Colormatch
Philips 85122 CX------ 5000K- 3100----- D2S- CrystalVision
Philips 85122 WX------ 6000K- 2400----- D2S- Ultinon Flash White
Osram Xenarc 66240CBI 5000K- 3400----- D2S- Cool Blue Intense
Osram Xenarc 66240CBI 5500K- 3200----- D2S- Cool Blue Intense
Osram Xenarc 66440--- 4150K- 3200----- D4S- Stock reference
Philips 42402CX-------- 5000K- 3200----- D4S- Ultinon Flash Clear/XenEco
Philips 42402WX-------- 6000K- 2400----- D4S- Ultinon Flash White
XenonDepot D4S------- 5000K- 2880-2976 D4S- 7-10% less than stock
http://www.lighting.philips.co.jp/pw...chart_2011.pdf
I hate that you can't paste tables in here...
Last edited by ericsan13; 03-15-13 at 11:54 AM.
03-15-13, 12:09 PM
#56
I threw this together:
Model---------------- Temp-- Lumens--- Type AKA
Philips 85122---------- 4300K- 3200----- D2S-
Philips 85122 CM------ 5000K- 3100----- D2S- Colormatch
Philips 85122 CX------ 5000K- 3100----- D2S- CrystalVision
Philips 85122 WX------ 6000K- 2400----- D2S- Ultinon Flash White
Osram Xenarc 66240CBI 5000K- 3400----- D2S- Cool Blue Intense
Osram Xenarc 66240CBI 5500K- 3200----- D2S- Cool Blue Intense
Osram Xenarc 66440--- 4150K- 3200----- D4S- Stock reference
Philips 42402CX-------- 5000K- 3200----- D4S- Ultinon Flash Clear/XenEco
Philips 42402WX-------- 6000K- 2400----- D4S- Ultinon Flash White
XenonDepot D4S------- 5000K- 2880-2976 D4S- 7-10% less than stock
http://www.lighting.philips.co.jp/pw...chart_2011.pdf
I hate that you can't paste tables in here...
Model---------------- Temp-- Lumens--- Type AKA
Philips 85122---------- 4300K- 3200----- D2S-
Philips 85122 CM------ 5000K- 3100----- D2S- Colormatch
Philips 85122 CX------ 5000K- 3100----- D2S- CrystalVision
Philips 85122 WX------ 6000K- 2400----- D2S- Ultinon Flash White
Osram Xenarc 66240CBI 5000K- 3400----- D2S- Cool Blue Intense
Osram Xenarc 66240CBI 5500K- 3200----- D2S- Cool Blue Intense
Osram Xenarc 66440--- 4150K- 3200----- D4S- Stock reference
Philips 42402CX-------- 5000K- 3200----- D4S- Ultinon Flash Clear/XenEco
Philips 42402WX-------- 6000K- 2400----- D4S- Ultinon Flash White
XenonDepot D4S------- 5000K- 2880-2976 D4S- 7-10% less than stock
http://www.lighting.philips.co.jp/pw...chart_2011.pdf
I hate that you can't paste tables in here...
Edit: Did more searching around. I manage to find Philip's Japan's online shop.
http://e-bulbshop.philips.co.jp/csb/...7/cc/00000045/
I always used this one which was dated.
http://philips.page-view.jp/Automoti...html?page_num=
Last edited by Sango; 03-15-13 at 01:39 PM.
03-15-13, 01:32 PM
#57
I have Garax 6k while yes the lumen mite not be as great as stock its 6k looks better, and my cut off line is raised, adjust your headlights and it will help. Also I have 3k fogs, great combo in the rain.
03-15-13, 02:24 PM
#58
The XenonDepot D4S 5000k bulbs have been a super popular seller on this board. They will provide you with a bright white output however you will get rid of that yellowish tone that the stock bulbs have.
Steve
Steve
03-16-13, 03:12 PM
#59
03-16-13, 06:47 PM
#60
Anyone tried the Morimoto's HID bulbs and compared them to the Garax and Philips?