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thanks fellas for all the inputs. I like them way better also, I wish the camera could capture the true look of the sandblast effect though they look good and something different. the pics shown are the rears with the 3 1/2" lip and the fronts I'll try to shoot some this weekend to give you guys an idea how that will look its a 2" lip. I'm hopeing when it's all said and done that It will turn out ok..