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The front looks great, but the rear looks wacked. VIP style, obviously all that time used for research on fitment issues weren't wisely spent on safety aspects. Look up "sidewall failure" and that rear wheel with stretched sidewall has this written all over it.
Looks great, but not safe or functional...
Looks great, but not safe or functional...
i've yet to read about a sidewall failing from the tire being stretched. granted, it can happen... but i bet there isnt enough stretch in this instance where that could be a possibility.
You should do some research into how tire manufacturers design and load test tires to arrive at their load ratings and sizing recommendations. There is no way a stretched sidewall tire can take the rated load for the tire without catastrophic failure.
doesn't Falken tires advertise VIP fitments in their magazines ads?
any proof of sidewall failures due to tire stretching?
people that ride on stretched tires know what they're doing. they don't track their cars, they don't take their cars cross country, they don't put their cars in situations that'll compromise safety. they simply stretch their tires for looks and to cruise.
this topic/debate would only appear in 2IS section. you won't see GS, LS, SC guys complaining about this type of tire fitment. 2IS = hella conservative.
any proof of sidewall failures due to tire stretching?
people that ride on stretched tires know what they're doing. they don't track their cars, they don't take their cars cross country, they don't put their cars in situations that'll compromise safety. they simply stretch their tires for looks and to cruise.
this topic/debate would only appear in 2IS section. you won't see GS, LS, SC guys complaining about this type of tire fitment. 2IS = hella conservative.
There are visual performance people and mechanical performance people. 2IS and even 1IS people are more mechanical performance oriented than any other class of Lexus cars. As I've said before, when you put 13.6" brakes on the front and 306 ponies under the hood, you'll attract people who are not style conscious and are more focused on mechanical performance. There are no other Lexus cars even remotely as sport oriented as the 2IS - no SC ever came with big hp, no GS or LS is marketed by 0-60 time, and we don't even want to talk about the SUVs in the same sentence. So it makes perfect sense those of us who DO track our cars would look at this styling effort and be both unimpressed and uninterested.
what about 95% of us? modding our cars for looks. we will never see a corner balancing scale. we will never see a dyno. we will never put our cars on a race track because we are "scared" to ruin our cars and hurt our resale value. my comment was geared toward the 95% of 2IS owners. we don't discuss track times, we recite magazine articles
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you are representing 5% of members on this board that track their cars. you guys drive high horsepower cars for what they're intended for. that's great.
what about 95% of us? modding our cars for looks. we will never see a corner balancing scale. we will never see a dyno. we will never put our cars on a race track because we are "scared" to ruin our cars and hurt our resale value. my comment was geared toward the 95% of 2IS owners. we don't discuss track times, we recite magazine articles.
what about 95% of us? modding our cars for looks. we will never see a corner balancing scale. we will never see a dyno. we will never put our cars on a race track because we are "scared" to ruin our cars and hurt our resale value. my comment was geared toward the 95% of 2IS owners. we don't discuss track times, we recite magazine articles
.If you don’t endorse the VIP look/style/scene, then that’s your prerogative. Just know that this type of modification is out there and gaining popularity. If you want to keep your 2IS stock….then by all means, do so. But if you do, what are you doing cruising this forum since most members here mod their cars… .
... NICE guys 
If you don’t endorse the VIP look/style/scene, then that’s your prerogative. Just know that this type of modification is out there and gaining popularity. If you want to keep your 2IS stock….then by all means, do so. But if you do, what are you doing cruising this forum since most members here mod their cars… .
VIP is a tiny fraction of the cars on the road. So are mechanical performance mods (although I suspect if you include domestics, there is a much larger market than VIP). Just because I wouldn't do what you like to do doesn't mean anything to anyone. It just means I would not choose to mod a car your way because the car won't do what I want it to do, and you would not mod a car my way because it would not do what you want it to do.
You value fashion and style. I do not care one way or the other, and there are others even on Club Lexus who share this view. You bought a Lexus as a status symbol, and modding it to appear unique adds to your perception of status. I bought a Lexus because I needed a four door car and I didn't want FWD, no power, and I (above all) wanted Toyota reliability with a 2UR-FSE. You pondered which color to buy to send the world the "right" image about you. I asked the wife what color she liked so she'd be happy because I couldn't care less what color the car is. I really couldn't care less if the orange in the taillight shows or if my lights are stock or not, or any of a host of other fashion mods, but I would consider a mod intended to show those taillights to cars who would otherwise not see them. I buy wheels by size and weight first, appearance is totally secondary. And everything stays stock until there is a need for the car to DO something different, not look different.
So my comment about not on my dog's lawnmower reflects my personal bias about fashion related mods. 10 years from now, VIP will be old school and you'll have to buy something new. 10 years from now, 306hp will still be 306hp and my four door sedan will still accomodate 4 -5 people and get them where they need to go quickly, reasonably efficiently, and comfortably.
If it includes 10.5" rims, they'll likely have 315's or 335's on them, not 245's like I put on my Scion tC. Again, it's a lowrider thing and it's been around for many years before VIP ever came along. Skinny tires on rims not intended to have such a narrow piece of rubber on them. I don't often comment in these kinds of threads - you don't see me commenting in the lighting threads, the taillight smoke or red-out threads, or even typically in the wheel threads, but this one is advocating ignoring basic engineering for style and compromising safety for looks.
Finally, We might both be here to see if other people are doing things we are interested in doing to see how they did it, what pitfalls there may be with it, and any helpful hints on doing it so we can avoid common mistakes.
