Originally Posted by TimboIS

That kinda of defeats the whole point of vehicle security! If Lexus can open it up, then so can thieves! I was told by lexus, probably about 10 years ago. If you lose or lock the key inside, there's nothing they can do except break the glass, etc.

Also, with all the whiners wrt to DLRs, I'd hate to think what those types would say about an OnStar like system. It would be 10x worse.

Originally Posted by Bengalfang

Actually advanced theives can. read.

It was posted in another thread too. So using your logic (in reverse) ..... If Theives can open it up, then so can Lexus!

Originally Posted by mkivbadger

Perhaps, but an OnStar like system would have saved the day in our case - the doors would have been opened quickly and my wife would have made her initial flight, her connection, and her vacation plans would have been intact.

Again, isn't one of the fundamental premises of the Lexus Smart key system is that you cannot lock your key in the car?

Originally Posted by TimboIS

I saw that before. The article is pretty vague, and never actually said what the thieves did. They may heva broken the window to get in, then used the computer to just defeat the immobilizer. Not to gain evtry to the vehicle. We don't actually know (but that would be my guess).

OnStar can just as easily track or lock people out. That's what people would be whining about.

As for SmartKey, it out smarted you... Key 1, You 0.

Originally Posted by Bengalfang

Not that vague to me.... Regardless, there is a way to copy the signal the Key Fob outputs (they do make new Key Fobs for people when they lose the originals afterall), no security system is perfect. I am sure it's not easy, but I would imagine Lexus dealerships would and should be able to.

Originally Posted by kensteele

so help me out here, i'm trying to recreate the problem but some many variable so confusing so i'm might have it wrong.

here's what i did step by step in detail:

1.start with all windows down, all door unlocked, trunk closed.
2.place key fob #1 on the back passenger seat behind driver by tossing it thru the open window.
3.walk about to back of trunk with key fob #2 in my pocket, touch the trunk button and trunk opens.
4.take key fob #2 out of my pocket, with the key fob in my hand, reach way into the trunk extending my arm well within, press key fob #2 lock button, hear one short beep indicating that doors are locked, verified that four doors are locked.
5.drop the key fob #2 onto the trunk floor.
6.remove my arm LOL and close the trunk door.
7.hear one long beep which is a warning, trunk door is now completely closed and key fob #2 is inside the trunk and key fob #1 is still on the back seat. verify that all four doors are locked.
8.wait 10 second, i dunno why, just waited just in case anything happens (like maybe my doors will unlock themselves or something).
9.but they didn't, so now what do i do, i'm locked out?
10.touch the trunk button, and the trunk opens.

My emergency key is inside the house and I never used it. Did I get some of the steps wrong, did I recreate your incident correctly? What happened when you try #10?

Originally Posted by mkivbadger

Ken - you are the man - thanks for your intelligent post and attempts to recreate our situation. I just recreated the situation as you outlined above and found the button under the trunk lid to push and viola, the trunk opened! Too bad that neither we nor the Lexus delarship knew about this button as we would have avoided our flight miss as well as the tow truck carriage and the local dealership entry damage!!!! Based on this exercise, I will readilly eat crow regarding my allegations of a Lexus design flaw. Instead, it appears to be a customer/delearship ignorance issue! Damn, we could have saved a lot of frustration and aggravation if any of us knew of or tried this button!

Thanks again for your thoughful & objective reply!

Originally Posted by mkivbadger

Ken - you are the man - thanks for your intelligent post and attempts to recreate our situation. I just recreated the situation as you outlined above and found the button under the trunk lid to push and viola, the trunk opened! Too bad that neither we nor the Lexus delarship knew about this button as we would have avoided our flight miss as well as the tow truck carriage and the local dealership entry damage!!!! Based on this exercise, I will readilly eat crow regarding my allegations of a Lexus design flaw. Instead, it appears to be a customer/delearship ignorance issue! Damn, we could have saved a lot of frustration and aggravation if any of us knew of or tried this button!

Thanks again for your thoughful & objective reply!

Originally Posted by is4me2

Here I thought the reason the trunk wouldn't open was because the button in the glove box to push when you use valet service was depressed. That would be another way you would not be able to get in the trunk if you locked your fob in there. Did you recreate that scenario Ken?

Originally Posted by Dabigman

I would still write a letter to Lexus Corporate and complain that the dealer is a moron.

Originally Posted by Mike_TX

I'm confused. Doesn't this still beg the question of why the DOOR buttons wouldn't operate to unlock them?

I mean, if the trunk release button would work (fob in range inside the trunk), then why wouldn't the door release buttons work (fob in range inside the car)? Because of the sequence of pressing the lock button and the particular fob inside the trunk?

I don't have an IS at this point, but my other cars with smartkeys (2 different brands) both refuse to lock the doors when a fob is inside the car. They beep a warning signal, then unlock all doors. Ditto for the trunk ... a beep and the trunk promptly reopens.

You may not like for it to do that, but it's an idiot-proof way of keeping you from locking the fob(s) inside!