is 250 vs es350
I still do not understand why people have a hard time deciding between IS and ES. I thought these two are in two different categories. You can not really compare apple and orange.
To me, the choices are very simple:
Smooth ride and comfort -> go for ES for Camry.
Performance ride and handling -> go for IS
Just ask yourself which factor you value more.
To me, the choices are very simple:
Smooth ride and comfort -> go for ES for Camry.
Performance ride and handling -> go for IS
Just ask yourself which factor you value more.
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Originally Posted by TimboIS
IS / ES = C class , 3 Series
GS = E class, 5 Series
LS = S class, 7 Series
GS = E class, 5 Series
LS = S class, 7 Series
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Originally Posted by doctorttt
The ES looks exactly like the camry... lol..
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
ES = nothing in the MB and BMW's lineup. Its closest competitors are instead the Audi A6 3.2 FWD and the Buick LaCrosse CXS.
It competes EXACTLY with 3-series in that regard, and Toyota/Lexus sales reflect that fact.
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Originally Posted by TimboIS
Price and size. It competes EXACTLY with 3-series in that regard, and Toyota/Lexus sales reflect that fact.
It competes EXACTLY with 3-series in that regard, and Toyota/Lexus sales reflect that fact.Again, just because two cars are priced similarly doesn't mean they're in the same market segment. The ES belongs to the midsize entry luxury and the 3 belongs to the compact entry luxury sport. Is that very hard to see?
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Originally Posted by Style2k6
Actually I think the ES looks like the Avalon and the base prices are about the same .
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
Price yes, but size? Are you serious?
Again, just because two cars are priced similarly doesn't mean they're in the same market segment. The ES belongs to the midsize entry luxury and the 3 belongs to the compact entry luxury sport. Is that very hard to see?
Again, just because two cars are priced similarly doesn't mean they're in the same market segment. The ES belongs to the midsize entry luxury and the 3 belongs to the compact entry luxury sport. Is that very hard to see?
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Originally Posted by Style2k6
I think the ES is closer to the 5 series
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
Price yes, but size? Are you serious?
Again, just because two cars are priced similarly doesn't mean they're in the same market segment. The ES belongs to the midsize entry luxury and the 3 belongs to the compact entry luxury sport. Is that very hard to see?
Again, just because two cars are priced similarly doesn't mean they're in the same market segment. The ES belongs to the midsize entry luxury and the 3 belongs to the compact entry luxury sport. Is that very hard to see?
The ES comparison to the 3 series is a stretch. While pricewise, they are similar, the ES is a larger family oriented luxury sedan. The IS and 3 series are not family sedans.
I would take the IS250 on looks. When you buy an ES, most people think... Camry. When you have an IS, you have a Lexus.
I would take the IS250 on looks. When you buy an ES, most people think... Camry. When you have an IS, you have a Lexus.
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Originally Posted by tqlla3k
The ES comparison to the 3 series is a stretch. While pricewise, they are similar, the ES is a larger family oriented luxury sedan. The IS and 3 series are not family sedans.
I would take the IS250 on looks. When you buy an ES, most people think... Camry. When you have an IS, you have a Lexus.
I would take the IS250 on looks. When you buy an ES, most people think... Camry. When you have an IS, you have a Lexus.
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Originally Posted by Style2k6
Again when I think Es I think Avalon not Camry and yes agreed the Is is lexus all the way .
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Originally Posted by TimboIS
Then the GS fits where?!? GS and Avalon are in the same category as 5 Series (size, etc).
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Originally Posted by TimboIS
IS / ES = C class , 3 Series
GS = E class, 5 Series
LS = S class, 7 Series
GS = E class, 5 Series
LS = S class, 7 Series
ES/IS = C Class, 3 Series, A4, I35/G35
GS = E Class, 5 Series, A6, M35/45
LS = S Class, 7 Series, A8, Q45
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Originally Posted by Trexus
I agree and I'd like to add more...
ES/IS = C Class, 3 Series, A4, I35/G35
GS = E Class, 5 Series, A6, M35/45
LS = S Class, 7 Series, A8, Q45
ES/IS = C Class, 3 Series, A4, I35/G35
GS = E Class, 5 Series, A6, M35/45
LS = S Class, 7 Series, A8, Q45
I guess we'll just agree to disagree. Some people like to use price as the sole differentiator while I prefer considering the "target audience" as well. Both are valid in different ways I guess.