Is it possible to clone the key?
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Originally Posted by uschardcor
^^ actually the new sysem of credit card authentication is gonna make for some very unhappy customers. basically the card companies are taking themselves out of the liability loop and leaving the card owner at fault for any non-approved transactions...
http://www.tomsnetworking.com/2006/0...it_card_fraud/
http://www.tomsnetworking.com/2006/0...it_card_fraud/
basically all the people against new technology are trying to hurt the industry by pointing out potential security flaws and trying to scare people about their safety and security. rfid is still pretty new and it has made great progress in many fields (like inventory and tracking) that do not necessarily have anything to do with people's money. all of these scare tactics are the same ones that i heard about years ago when we thought about implement what we have today which works so well. i remember the day when it was unheard of to deposit a check in an atm or use a credit card at a grocery store or read a barcode on your passport or pay a bill over the internet or buy gasoline at an unmanned service station or roam using your cellphone in a foreign country. we were told it was too risky....whatever.
There was an article on news.com about cloning these RFID based keys. It can be done with a laptop and a RFID developer kit. These kits are available from the RFID manufacturers. They include software and a RFID reader. Using these tools person can mimic either the car or a key and capture the data handshake and key challenge. Since the RFID manufacturers are onlys using a 40bit key the person then takes that data and can easliy crack it using a brute force method. A 40 bit ket is unheard of these days with 1024 bit keys being very common.
A guy in Germany was recently arrested with the above mentioned equipment and several "cracked" keys stored on the laptop. With the cracked keys, all he had to do was find that car again, and he would own it!
This situation has me very concerned about getting my car stolen. I live in the Silicon Valley area. There's a lot of high tech out here.
A guy in Germany was recently arrested with the above mentioned equipment and several "cracked" keys stored on the laptop. With the cracked keys, all he had to do was find that car again, and he would own it!
This situation has me very concerned about getting my car stolen. I live in the Silicon Valley area. There's a lot of high tech out here.
but if they're gonna steal it....make sure it will be gone completely......
never ever wanna see it found somewhere else and you have to deal with the aftermath........
AND if the thief wanna steal your car, no matter what security system (OEM or aftermarket or wharever superior thing you have) they will still steal it with ease. Nothing you can do about it anyway 
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From what I have read, the key for the 2006 IS is RFID based. Do you think its possible to clone it to another device? Something like a Mobil Speedpass or maybe a proxcard? I'd love to have a credit card sized "key" that I could just leave in my wallet. I never use the buttons on the fob anyway. I also seem to remember reading that the 2007 LS will have a card key.
I know there was a link to that "High tech gone in sixty seconds" article...and from reading it, it seems that cloning the fobs would be possible.
Just curious to see what everybody thinks.
I know there was a link to that "High tech gone in sixty seconds" article...and from reading it, it seems that cloning the fobs would be possible.
Just curious to see what everybody thinks.
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Sounds like lots of work...I still think my idea of using the LS key would be much easier. I'm guessing it would be compatible.
A picture of it actually ended up in another thread:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...50&postcount=5
A picture of it actually ended up in another thread:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...50&postcount=5
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old thread alert, may 2006
^^ actually the new sysem of credit card authentication is gonna make for some very unhappy customers. basically the card companies are taking themselves out of the liability loop and leaving the card owner at fault for any non-approved transactions...
http://www.tomsnetworking.com/2006/0...it_card_fraud/
http://www.tomsnetworking.com/2006/0...it_card_fraud/
that's silly, the day the cardholder becomes liable for fraudalent charges comes the day when cardholders dump their cards. besides there are laws to protect the consumer, so bank will have to deal with those. a year away? i will make it a point to come back to this thread and show you how wrong the author is. i bet there won't be a single credit card company or bank that holds the cardholder completely liable for unauthorized or fraudelent charges in june 2007. none. new technology or not. i am aware of the strategy to change the way the system works to hold transactions responsible but the intent is not to leave the customer unprotected from the criminals.
basically all the people against new technology are trying to hurt the industry by pointing out potential security flaws and trying to scare people about their safety and security. rfid is still pretty new and it has made great progress in many fields (like inventory and tracking) that do not necessarily have anything to do with people's money. all of these scare tactics are the same ones that i heard about years ago when we thought about implement what we have today which works so well. i remember the day when it was unheard of to deposit a check in an atm or use a credit card at a grocery store or read a barcode on your passport or pay a bill over the internet or buy gasoline at an unmanned service station or roam using your cellphone in a foreign country. we were told it was too risky....whatever.
basically all the people against new technology are trying to hurt the industry by pointing out potential security flaws and trying to scare people about their safety and security. rfid is still pretty new and it has made great progress in many fields (like inventory and tracking) that do not necessarily have anything to do with people's money. all of these scare tactics are the same ones that i heard about years ago when we thought about implement what we have today which works so well. i remember the day when it was unheard of to deposit a check in an atm or use a credit card at a grocery store or read a barcode on your passport or pay a bill over the internet or buy gasoline at an unmanned service station or roam using your cellphone in a foreign country. we were told it was too risky....whatever.
Google calendar owns you!
1. Anybody have a credit card that won't stand by you against fradulent charges and allows the criminals to steal from the customer?
2. Anybody had their car broken into by the hi-tech car thieves that are prowling for easy Lexus vehicles by cloning their keys using a laptop computer?
It's 2011, what are they waiting for! LOL LOL
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http://is.sewellparts.com/accessorie...2006/1861.html
there. just search for the year/model for ur car.
there. just search for the year/model for ur car.