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Old Feb 20, 2019 | 05:23 PM
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I emailed Lexus to find out if GX 460 nav is compliant with this issue. Not sure about my Garmins, Tom Toms and other vehicles from Infiniti and Mazda. I have sent inquiries there as well.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/some-g...after-april-6/

"April sees the GPS network go through a mini "millennium bug" of its own because the week number will roll back to a zero. While this is a known issue arising from the way the system works, it's recommended that those in charge of critical infrastructure which make use of GPS, along with other businesses and users who believe a malfunction would result in problems, to prepare for the event.

A GPS Week Rollover happens because of the way the navigation signal works. The current week number is encoded into the signal message received from the satellites using a 10-bit field, and this allows for a week range from zero to 1023. The current period began back on 1 August 1999, and on 6 April 2019 the week number rolls over back to zero, where it will start counting back up to 1023.

While most modern GPS receivers shouldn't be affected by this (devices that conform to IS-GPS-200 and provides UTC will be fine), testing carried out by the US Department for Homeland Security (DHS) showed that there is a possibility that some will interpret this rollover as the date shifting back to January 6, 1980, or possibly some other incorrect date.

This is where the headaches begin. Not only will the GPS receiver start reporting the incorrect date, but since accurate timings is critical to precise location data (an error of only a nanosecond in GPS time can equate to one foot of position error), an incorrect interpretation of this rollover can have big consequences.

So what should you do? Last year, the DHS published guidelines that suggested:
  • investigate and understand their possible dependencies on GPS for obtaining UTC;
  • contact the GPS manufacturers of devices they use to obtain UTC;
  • understand the manufacturers' preparedness for the rollover;
  • understand actions required by CI and other owners and operators to ensure proper operation through the rollover, and
  • ensure that the firmware of such devices is up to date.
GPS simulators, such as LabSat 3, can be set up to test for issues arising from the GPS Week Rollover event. The more vital the system, the more important it will be to test the effects of the rollover.

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Old Feb 20, 2019 | 06:08 PM
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Am I missing something? Why is the date needed and a nanosecond is important?
This is where the headaches begin. Not only will the GPS receiver start reporting the incorrect date, but since accurate timings is critical to precise location data (an error of only a nanosecond in GPS time can equate to one foot of position error), an incorrect interpretation of this rollover can have big consequences.
Old Feb 20, 2019 | 06:17 PM
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I think I saw a similar issue with a handheld Garmin in late 90s or 2000 whole geocaching. it gave an error and wouldn’t track. I thought it was broke but found a firmware update later that fixed a time bug IIRC.

Time and GPS

http://www.physics.org/article-questions.asp?id=77
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So will this be a problem identified with Toyota/Lexus products? Or is this more just a general issue/concern that does not have an known impact of what products will be affected?
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Just general concern of all products at this point.

Generic responses for the most part from all automakers. "Contact dealer" or "bring in for troubleshooting". Hopefully day comes and goes without issue.

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Mount your phone on dash and hope that this doesn’t also affect Google or Apple Maps.
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