265/65/18 tires
I have no plan on getting anything bigger than this size. Quick questions: 1. Does it rub at extreme steering angles? And when fully compress? 2. Does it fit under in the spare tire area? I understand that it will slightly affect the speedometer and mileage. |
I can tell you it doesn't rub at all, at least for my 265/65/18 Nitto Terra Grapplers.
I didn't replace the spare so can't comment on that. |
Originally Posted by CobraSpdRH
(Post 10436669)
I can tell you it doesn't rub at all, at least for my 265/65/18 Nitto Terra Grapplers.
I didn't replace the spare so can't comment on that. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.clu...cacfb43003.jpg |
Originally Posted by GoHuskers
(Post 10436684)
I also have 265.65.18 Defender LTX and it fits perfec, no rubbing whatsoever. I didn't replace the spare so I can comment.
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I want to replace spare because difference in diameter may be problematic for VSC......and if you’re off-roading and have CRAWL, then that can really screw up CRAWL i think. |
Originally Posted by Madtiger
(Post 10436645)
I have no plan on getting anything bigger than this size. Quick questions: 1. Does it rub at extreme steering angles? And when fully compress? 2. Does it fit under in the spare tire area? I understand that it will slightly affect the speedometer and mileage. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.clu...be2e30a296.jpg |
Originally Posted by Airpirate
(Post 10437638)
My KO2's in that size don't rub. My guess is that these would fit in the spare location, but I can't confirm.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.clu...be2e30a296.jpg |
Anyone have Continental TerrainContact AT?? I know that these are “mild” AT tires but from TireRack reviews, they are excellent dual purpose tires. I spend most of my time on-road/highway. |
Originally Posted by Madtiger
(Post 10437696)
Anyone have Continental TerrainContact AT?? I know that these are “mild” AT tires but from TireRack reviews, they are excellent dual purpose tires. I spend most of my time on-road/highway. The best highway tire with some offroad use is hands down the Michelin Defender LTX (previously the LTX M/S2) |
Originally Posted by MCDavis
(Post 10437727)
No experience with that specific tire, but I've not been overly impressed with the Conti's I've had on other vehicles...usually the OEM offering.
The best highway tire with some offroad use is hands down the Michelin Defender LTX (previously the LTX M/S2) |
Originally Posted by Madtiger
(Post 10437731)
Are the Defenders quiet?? |
Originally Posted by Madtiger
(Post 10437690)
Very nice looking!! I would love KO2 but i am afraid of its Load Range E...and 51 lbs per tire. How’s the ride compare to stock? Gas mileage? |
Originally Posted by Madtiger
(Post 10437731)
Are the Defenders quiet??
Originally Posted by GoHuskers
(Post 10437744)
a little louder than latitude but better in any other categories. Hopefully it will last longer than the 31k miles I got from my Latitude.
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Originally Posted by MCDavis
(Post 10437815)
That's one of their pro's...stupidly quiet actually, and they roll forever. Very little rolling resistance for what they are. They shed water like crazy, and since they're so heavily siped they do well in the snow/ice too.
I think the Defender is warrantied to 60-70k miles depending on the tire size. |
Originally Posted by situman
(Post 10437907)
They are also heavy too! 40 something pounds each per Tirerack! I may go for the Premier LTX, but apparently they wear terribly.
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My ONLY complaint about Michelin tires is that they are boring looking!! No fancy treads. No fancy sidewall. I kinda like Michelin AT2 but i had them long time ago and they were somewhat noisy...and also does not come in any good sizes for GX. But at least AT2 looks somewhat interesting next to Defender. Yes, i am superficial. :D |
Originally Posted by Madtiger
(Post 10437938)
My ONLY complaint about Michelin tires is that they are boring looking!! No fancy treads. No fancy sidewall. I kinda like Michelin AT2 but i had them long time ago and they were somewhat noisy...and also does not come in any good sizes for GX. But at least AT2 looks somewhat interesting next to Defender. Yes, i am superficial. :D The Coopers look good for what they are. |
Originally Posted by Madtiger
(Post 10437938)
My ONLY complaint about Michelin tires is that they are boring looking!! No fancy treads. No fancy sidewall. I kinda like Michelin AT2 but i had them long time ago and they were somewhat noisy...and also does not come in any good sizes for GX. But at least AT2 looks somewhat interesting next to Defender. Yes, i am superficial. :D |
The weirdest thing about you guys (me being new member)...none of you guys replaced the spare??? So, no one here has used upsized tire in the spare location? |
For the differences between 265/60/18 and 265/65/18, it won't matter much if you only drive it a short distance in an emergency. If it's a concern, you can also drop some air out of the 265/65 and it could work as well.
If you go 2 sizes up, then yes a matching spare would be nice.
Originally Posted by Madtiger
(Post 10438147)
The weirdest thing about you guys (me being new member)...none of you guys replaced the spare??? So, no one here has used upsized tire in the spare location? |
Originally Posted by bbqsoup
(Post 10438170)
For the differences between 265/60/18 and 265/65/18, it won't matter much if you only drive it a short distance in an emergency. If it's a concern, you can also drop some air out of the 265/65 and it could work as well.
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Originally Posted by ASE
(Post 10438298)
+1 ... in 35-years, I have never had a spare touch the earth ... so for a 1/2" difference, why spend the money when airing-down the taller tire and airing-up the shorter tire is perfectly acceptable to get home.
For me, i am driving my car around 100 highway miles everyday...so, a flat in the middle of that trip would suck royally. And airing down or pumping up etc. will be PIA and certainly would not want VSC or ATRAC to fire off and create wear and tear on brakes...if not instability. |
Unless you're rocking BFG AT KO2 (deep tread and tough 3-ply sidewall), off-roading without a spare of same size is also not a wise idea. And especially if you have to rely on CRAWL and one of your tire is off...even by 1/2".
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Originally Posted by Madtiger
(Post 10438453)
Unless you're rocking BFG AT KO2 (deep tread and tough 3-ply sidewall), off-roading without a spare of same size is also not a wise idea. And especially if you have to rely on CRAWL and one of your tire is off...even by 1/2".
I've never had to put on my spare. I've had flats, but roadside patch and pump keep me moving. |
Originally Posted by CanadaGX
(Post 10438506)
If you are off roading, and had to put on a spare...just don't turn on CRAWL! Drive home slowly, and fix your tire.
I've never had to put on my spare. I've had flats, but roadside patch and pump keep me moving. I am just very cautious...overly cautious! :D FYI, i do have some off-roading experience (rock crawling, etc.). This is why i am so anal with spare tires! LOL |
Originally Posted by Madtiger
(Post 10438649)
What if it fails at the worst time...in the middle of nowhere or off-road field where you need CRAWL to get out? Or what if it fails the beginning of the trip? You have to then limp home and the fun is ruined for you (and maybe your group).
I am just very cautious...overly cautious! :D FYI, i do have some off-roading experience (rock crawling, etc.). This is why i am so anal with spare tires! LOL i agree. The spare should match the others. If price is a concern, honestly, I would find the cheapest Chinese tire in the size and mount that in the spare where it may never see the road. You could probably do that for under $100 in comparison to the $150-200 you would spend on the others. |
Originally Posted by caesosa
(Post 10438724)
i agree. The spare should match the others. If price is a concern, honestly, I would find the cheapest Chinese tire in the size and mount that in the spare where it may never see the road. You could probably do that for under $100 in comparison to the $150-200 you would spend on the others. |
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What am I missing?
What's the difference if you go to the 265/65/18 BFG and if you have to use the spare that came with the truck? You're not changing wheels. Wouldn't that be the same, as a passenger car using those little donut spare tires? |
Originally Posted by 2012GX460
(Post 10439090)
What am I missing?
What's the difference if you go to the 265/65/18 BFG and if you have to use the spare that came with the truck? You're not changing wheels. Wouldn't that be the same, as a passenger car using those little donut spare tires? 265/60/18 = 30.5” 265/65/18 = 31.5” See: https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc...0r18-265-65r18 VSC, ATRAC, and CRAWL works by comparing wheel speed differences among the wheels. So, if one wheel is smaller (spare tire for instance) than the other 3, then that creates speed differences with the smaller tire spinning faster than the others. VSC/ATRAC/CRAWL programming will think that the smaller faster spinning tire is “slipping” and will use brakes to slow down that “slipping” wheel. In the case of VSC/ATRAC, this can create instability on the highway as one tire is being braked for no reason. At low speeds, it is probably OK with VSC and ATRAC. But higher speeds (highway), it may become an issue. With CRAWL, even at low speeds, it may affect. CRAWL is a super aggressive traction control that basically stops any spinning tire to push torque as fast as possible to the tire with traction...to create as close to an axle locker effect as possible. Because it is so sensitive to speed differences b/w the tires, this can create a situation where one tire will be braked and torque being sent to the other wheel (on same axle) unexpectedly, which then leads to your vehicle being forced to one side (like off a cliff! LOL). Remember, rim size does NOT mean tire size. As for donuts...all donuts have the SAME diameter as the OEM tires. It is just skinny. But diameter is same on all modern vehicles with stability and traction control. Tire width is NOT an issue with these electronic nannies. It is the DIAMETER of the whole tire that is important. |
Ask and you shall receive, thanks for the information!
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Originally Posted by Madtiger
(Post 10439104)
Your rims are the same but your tire diameter changed. 265/60/18 = 30.5” 265/65/18 = 31.5” See: https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc...0r18-265-65r18 VSC, ATRAC, and CRAWL works by comparing wheel speed differences among the wheels. So, if one wheel is smaller (spare tire for instance) than the other 3, then that creates speed differences with the smaller tire spinning faster than the others. VSC/ATRAC/CRAWL programming will think that the smaller faster spinning tire is “slipping” and will use brakes to slow down that “slipping” wheel. In the case of VSC/ATRAC, this can create instability on the highway as one tire is being braked for no reason. At low speeds, it is probably OK with VSC and ATRAC. But higher speeds (highway), it may become an issue. With CRAWL, even at low speeds, it may affect. CRAWL is a super aggressive traction control that basically stops any spinning tire to push torque as fast as possible to the tire with traction...to create as close to an axle locker effect as possible. Because it is so sensitive to speed differences b/w the tires, this can create a situation where one tire will be braked and torque being sent to the other wheel (on same axle) unexpectedly, which then leads to your vehicle being forced to one side (like off a cliff! LOL). Remember, rim size does NOT mean tire size. As for donuts...all donuts have the SAME diameter as the OEM tires. It is just skinny. But diameter is same on all modern vehicles with stability and traction control. Tire width is NOT an issue with these electronic nannies. It is the DIAMETER of the whole tire that is important. |
Originally Posted by ASE
(Post 10440061)
Good information ... but how sensitive are these interventions with 1/2" difference in rolling radius ? ... and if this difference is "adjusted" by going (as an example) 5-psi down on the 265-65 and 5-psi up on the 265-60 tire(s) ? ... again, just to "get home" and not for distance ?
What if you cannot go to tire shop that same day? What if you have to drive a long way back that night? What if you want to continue on your trip instead of killing off your vacation? Just buy a cheap ass spare in the same size as your other tires and put it down there. Of course, this does require that the size that you pick fit under your GX in the spare compartment, which is why i ask this question at the beginning. I am 90% sure that i will go with 265/65/18 but i will only go to this size IF the spare tire compartment allows it. |
Originally Posted by Madtiger
(Post 10440066)
My question back to you is.......why risk it? Why guess it? Are you sure 5-psi is all you need? What if you cannot go to tire shop that same day? What if you have to drive a long way back that night? What if you want to continue on your trip instead of killing off your vacation? Just buy a cheap ass spare in the same size as your other tires and put it down there. Of course, this does require that the size that you pick fit under your GX in the spare compartment, which is why i ask this question at the beginning. I am 90% sure that i will go with 265/65/18 but i will only go to this size IF the spare tire compartment allows it. |
Originally Posted by ASE
(Post 10440103)
My operative point is "to get home" ... if you are otherwise motivated, I agree with your argument. The 265/60 spare is TIGHT ... so 265-65 is probably a no-go in my opinion, but have not tired. I do know that my GX470 would not take a 265/70-17 in the spare location.
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Originally Posted by Madtiger
(Post 10440108)
Ah ok...damn, i have to stick with stock size then. :( when I installed the curt (with stock size tire) it took about an inch of usable spare tire size. There is still some room left for a slightly bigger tire (1” max!!). if you don’t have a hitch you can probably upgrade the size with no issue. This is may not be relevant, however, on my 100 series land cruiser I went from the stock 275/70R16 to a 275/65R18 (which is a full inch taller) with no issues. I think it’s worth a try on the GX. |
Originally Posted by caesosa
(Post 10440529)
Madriger, do you have a trailer hitch? If so, which one? when I installed the curt (with stock size tire) it took about an inch of usable spare tire size. There is still some room left for a slightly bigger tire (1” max!!). if you don’t have a hitch you can probably upgrade the size with no issue. This is may not be relevant, however, on my 100 series land cruiser I went from the stock 275/70R16 to a 275/65R18 (which is a full inch taller) with no issues. I think it’s worth a try on the GX. |
Probably not an issue with sizes listed here but I think differing tire size issues are more related to potential damage to torsen CD. This seems to be an issue with many if not all full time mechanical AWD systems. Remember TPMS monitors spare as well |
Originally Posted by Acrad35751
(Post 10440590)
Probably not an issue with sizes listed here but I think differing tire size issues are more related to potential damage to torsen CD. This seems to be an issue with many if not all full time mechanical AWD systems. Remember TPMS monitors spare as well |
I should have clarified running a different size spare tire is not a good thing for an extended period. perhaps damage issues only occur to viscous coupling setups in other automakers though? |
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