My ONLY complaint about Michelin tires is that they are boring looking!! No fancy treads. No fancy sidewall. I kinda like Michelin AT2 but i had them long time ago and they were somewhat noisy...and also does not come in any good sizes for GX. But at least AT2 looks somewhat interesting next to Defender. Yes, i am superficial. 
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There's always a trade off. Originally Posted by Madtiger
My ONLY complaint about Michelin tires is that they are boring looking!! No fancy treads. No fancy sidewall. I kinda like Michelin AT2 but i had them long time ago and they were somewhat noisy...and also does not come in any good sizes for GX. But at least AT2 looks somewhat interesting next to Defender. Yes, i am superficial.
The Coopers look good for what they are.
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Michelin Defender LTX will easily run 60,000 miles ... and are a great performing tire ... almost as good as a dedicated winter tire, with excellent dry handling. Yes, they look boring ... but cannot argue with performance and wear. Yes heavier, but the extra (LTX) plies account for the weight, and do improve handling and steering response given the stiffer sidewall. Most passenger rated alternatives have a steering response that lean in the direction of riding on water balloons.Originally Posted by Madtiger
My ONLY complaint about Michelin tires is that they are boring looking!! No fancy treads. No fancy sidewall. I kinda like Michelin AT2 but i had them long time ago and they were somewhat noisy...and also does not come in any good sizes for GX. But at least AT2 looks somewhat interesting next to Defender. Yes, i am superficial.
The weirdest thing about you guys (me being new member)...none of you guys replaced the spare??? So, no one here has used upsized tire in the spare location?
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For the differences between 265/60/18 and 265/65/18, it won't matter much if you only drive it a short distance in an emergency. If it's a concern, you can also drop some air out of the 265/65 and it could work as well.
If you go 2 sizes up, then yes a matching spare would be nice.
If you go 2 sizes up, then yes a matching spare would be nice.
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The weirdest thing about you guys (me being new member)...none of you guys replaced the spare??? So, no one here has used upsized tire in the spare location?
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+1 ... in 35-years, I have never had a spare touch the earth ... so for a 1/2" difference, why spend the money when airing-down the taller tire and airing-up the shorter tire is perfectly acceptable to get home. Originally Posted by bbqsoup
For the differences between 265/60/18 and 265/65/18, it won't matter much if you only drive it a short distance in an emergency. If it's a concern, you can also drop some air out of the 265/65 and it could work as well.
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Strangely, my wife managed to get a gash on the sidewall of a tire TWICE within past 5 years.Originally Posted by ASE
+1 ... in 35-years, I have never had a spare touch the earth ... so for a 1/2" difference, why spend the money when airing-down the taller tire and airing-up the shorter tire is perfectly acceptable to get home.
For me, i am driving my car around 100 highway miles everyday...so, a flat in the middle of that trip would suck royally. And airing down or pumping up etc. will be PIA and certainly would not want VSC or ATRAC to fire off and create wear and tear on brakes...if not instability.
Unless you're rocking BFG AT KO2 (deep tread and tough 3-ply sidewall), off-roading without a spare of same size is also not a wise idea. And especially if you have to rely on CRAWL and one of your tire is off...even by 1/2".
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If you are off roading, and had to put on a spare...just don't turn on CRAWL! Drive home slowly, and fix your tire. Originally Posted by Madtiger
Unless you're rocking BFG AT KO2 (deep tread and tough 3-ply sidewall), off-roading without a spare of same size is also not a wise idea. And especially if you have to rely on CRAWL and one of your tire is off...even by 1/2".
I've never had to put on my spare. I've had flats, but roadside patch and pump keep me moving.
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I've never had to put on my spare. I've had flats, but roadside patch and pump keep me moving.
What if it fails at the worst time...in the middle of nowhere or off-road field where you need CRAWL to get out? Or what if it fails the beginning of the trip? You have to then limp home and the fun is ruined for you (and maybe your group). Originally Posted by CanadaGX
If you are off roading, and had to put on a spare...just don't turn on CRAWL! Drive home slowly, and fix your tire.I've never had to put on my spare. I've had flats, but roadside patch and pump keep me moving.
I am just very cautious...overly cautious!
FYI, i do have some off-roading experience (rock crawling, etc.). This is why i am so **** with spare tires! LOL
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I am just very cautious...overly cautious! FYI, i do have some off-roading experience (rock crawling, etc.). This is why i am so **** with spare tires! LOL
Originally Posted by Madtiger
What if it fails at the worst time...in the middle of nowhere or off-road field where you need CRAWL to get out? Or what if it fails the beginning of the trip? You have to then limp home and the fun is ruined for you (and maybe your group).I am just very cautious...overly cautious!
FYI, i do have some off-roading experience (rock crawling, etc.). This is why i am so **** with spare tires! LOL
i agree. The spare should match the others. If price is a concern, honestly, I would find the cheapest Chinese tire in the size and mount that in the spare where it may never see the road. You could probably do that for under $100 in comparison to the $150-200 you would spend on the others.
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i agree. The spare should match the others. If price is a concern, honestly, I would find the cheapest Chinese tire in the size and mount that in the spare where it may never see the road. You could probably do that for under $100 in comparison to the $150-200 you would spend on the others.
Agree 100%. Get a cheap spare.......but it must have same diameter as the other 4. You can even get a slimmer tire (may help in clearance angles) but must be same diameter.Originally Posted by caesosa
i agree. The spare should match the others. If price is a concern, honestly, I would find the cheapest Chinese tire in the size and mount that in the spare where it may never see the road. You could probably do that for under $100 in comparison to the $150-200 you would spend on the others.
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What's the difference if you go to the 265/65/18 BFG and if you have to use the spare that came with the truck?
You're not changing wheels.
Wouldn't that be the same, as a passenger car using those little donut spare tires?
What's the difference if you go to the 265/65/18 BFG and if you have to use the spare that came with the truck?
You're not changing wheels.
Wouldn't that be the same, as a passenger car using those little donut spare tires?
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What's the difference if you go to the 265/65/18 BFG and if you have to use the spare that came with the truck?
You're not changing wheels.
Wouldn't that be the same, as a passenger car using those little donut spare tires?
Your rims are the same but your tire diameter changed.Originally Posted by 2012GX460
What am I missing?What's the difference if you go to the 265/65/18 BFG and if you have to use the spare that came with the truck?
You're not changing wheels.
Wouldn't that be the same, as a passenger car using those little donut spare tires?
265/60/18 = 30.5”
265/65/18 = 31.5”
See: https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc...0r18-265-65r18
VSC, ATRAC, and CRAWL works by comparing wheel speed differences among the wheels. So, if one wheel is smaller (spare tire for instance) than the other 3, then that creates speed differences with the smaller tire spinning faster than the others. VSC/ATRAC/CRAWL programming will think that the smaller faster spinning tire is “slipping” and will use brakes to slow down that “slipping” wheel. In the case of VSC/ATRAC, this can create instability on the highway as one tire is being braked for no reason. At low speeds, it is probably OK with VSC and ATRAC. But higher speeds (highway), it may become an issue.
With CRAWL, even at low speeds, it may affect. CRAWL is a super aggressive traction control that basically stops any spinning tire to push torque as fast as possible to the tire with traction...to create as close to an axle locker effect as possible. Because it is so sensitive to speed differences b/w the tires, this can create a situation where one tire will be braked and torque being sent to the other wheel (on same axle) unexpectedly, which then leads to your vehicle being forced to one side (like off a cliff! LOL).
Remember, rim size does NOT mean tire size.
As for donuts...all donuts have the SAME diameter as the OEM tires. It is just skinny. But diameter is same on all modern vehicles with stability and traction control. Tire width is NOT an issue with these electronic nannies. It is the DIAMETER of the whole tire that is important.