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Old Apr 13, 2018 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by rj4510
I can’t use the power in our FWD RX now. Not even when in motion. If that thing spins out at all the nanny forces it to fall flat on its face. A great feeling when you think you have a shot at pulling into traffic, do so just in time to have zero acceleration. They can put all the HP and torque in FWDs they want. The power can’t be utilized. As for the RX, the AWD is only marginally better p, since it’s front wheel dominant. The only one that doesn’t have this issue is the Hybrid. You just can’t rev that engine enough to spin and the electric motors give it more go juice. The public however is overly impressed with HP, so on paper the Camry looks better than the GS.

Not it sure why the Germans can figure out how to make killer RWD and AWDs and Toyota makes everything good into a Camry or Prius. Why not continue to compete with the German makers too. It’s not like they have to start from scratch. The partnership with Subaru has to be worth something if they can’t figure out how to make a real AWD. I guess I’m overly annoyed with Toyota’s latest direction!

FWD is cheap, not good. RWD is preferential for almost everything else. It provides more balance and control. I'm not complaining about the motor over the drive wheels, I'm saying it is the wrong end of the car.
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Old Apr 13, 2018 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by e60bmw
Good because I see way less GS on the road, and tons of 5 series. The last 2 f10's and the current model are pretty boring to me.
Before getting 2017 350 F I test drove a base 2015 535 x drive , Dealer asked how it feels in comparison to my 2001 530. I was surprised that I did not notics much difference
as far as driving is concerned. Older 530 is more connected to road, I have M Sport sway bars so it handles pretty good, it is sick shift so is more involved.
Any newer 5series is not that great.

My major complaint about GS 350 F is engine sound. It sounds like 450 hp V8 and it isn't. Lexus should have kept the noise very low. BMWs engine sounds much better.
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Old Apr 13, 2018 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by vclifford
And now they have installed the same v6 @305 bhp in 2018 Camry. I feel for the guys who spent more on ES and Avalon. It is same for GS as well, @311 there is hardly any difference other than Lexus;s AWD and Adaptive features in F sport but then it costs more as well.
2018 Audi A6 is 340 bhp, BMW540 is 335 bhp. They definitely need a refresh. I would have kept GS and chopped ES. GS looks better than ES, it is a bolder design.
The new Camry is a really nice car but it's not even close to a GS, or for that matter an ES, in so many categories. I think you need to drive a Camry now that you own a GS. You're tune will change quickly.
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