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I disagree regarding the comment on the GS interior being dated compared to the 5 series. I just recently crossed shopped both cars, and the 2016 BMW 5 series interior was almost exactly the same as the last 5 series I owned, which was 1998!! Although the GS interior hasn't changed since 2013, it is usually praised as high quality by owners and reviews alike (except for the interface, which certainly isn't as good as the BMW idrive).
I completely agree. I understand that BMW is trying to keep the classic interior look and their signature interior styling and orange gauges, but at some point no matter how comfortable the seats are it just gets tiring.
My 2015 GS350 with the standard Luxury 19" alloy wheels has pin sharp steering and higher levels of adhesion reminiscent to a compact sedan, albeit at a cost to the ride - compared to the 528i which feels bigger and heavier, and floats around corners.
Both cars are good, and neither car is perfect; just pick and choose which set of pros and cons you like most...
Our BMW experience was horrific. The reliability and time off work we had to take just to keep the car on the road was disappointing. Because of that we won't be buying another BMW anytime soon. Definitely do your homework on BMW reliability. If you have the time to miss work or don't mind being stranded than by all means go with what ever car that tickles your fancy.
i am leaning toward a cpo 2014 ls i found, but as far as interior
sorry to disagree the bmw is much more modern, better comfort excluding the center armrest
better nav system, even though its 10 inches, better i drive night and day.
the gs 350 looks like it was developed in 2011 because it was the 16 refresh was good but not good enough
i am leaning toward a cpo 2014 ls i found, but as far as interior
sorry to disagree the bmw is much more modern, better comfort excluding the center armrest
better nav system, even though its 10 inches, better i drive night and day.
the gs 350 looks like it was developed in 2011 because it was the 16 refresh was good but not good enough
The interior was developed in 2011 lol. The interior of the 5 Series is older, actually, and if you drove a higher end GS your comfort issues would be solved.
The LS has the same navigation system and screen, and that interior basically was designed in 2006! BMW's tech is better I agree.
i feel at home in the ls460, i like it
just worried about the upper control arm issue
I too prefer the LS460 but the GS is a really nice car optioned the right way, even nicer than the LS in some respects. The luxury seats are way better, has some tech the LS doesn't have, etc.
No need to worry about the control arms on a 2014. Even if you did, it's not as expensive a repair as it's made out to be.
i am leaning toward a cpo 2014 ls i found, but as far as interior
sorry to disagree the bmw is much more modern, better comfort excluding the center armrest
better nav system, even though its 10 inches, better i drive night and day.
the gs 350 looks like it was developed in 2011 because it was the 16 refresh was good but not good enough
Life is often a compromize. The more we have of A, the less we have of B.
Some of the intrinsic characteristics of German and Japanese cars, include the German's great ability to innovate, while the Japanese have a great ability to refine those German innovations, hence Lexus may not be quick when it comes to innovation, but Lexus is great when it comes to reliability.
We can't be too greedy; we can't have it all - if Lexus could match the German's innovation, while providing their own refinement and reliability, the German auto manufacturers would go bankrupt, and vice-versa, if the German's could provide their own innovation, while matching Lexus for refinement & reliability, the Japanese auto manufacturers would go bankrupt.
We have to accept compromize...
This is the 2003-10 5 Series:
The 2012-19 4GS copied off BM's split level dash, jog drive control and high mount LCD display.
This is the current gen 2010-17 5 Series [which should be fully replaced sometime in 2017]:
Lexus' forthcoming 2017 LC will copy off BMW's 2-way jog dial more than ever!
Meanwhile, ironically, dash boards have now swung back to the touch screen designs of the 1998-05 3GS,
albeit "higher mount" glass capacitive touch screens this time around like the forthcoming Toyota CH-R:
On the subject of mechanical controls for high mount touch screens, it does seem that the more simple two-way one-dimensional BMW-style jog dial is easier, or at least faster to learn, than the more complex Lexus-style four-way two-dimensional joystick control.
BMW's 2-way 1-dimensional jog dial copied by Benz:
Lexus' more complex four-way 2-dimensional joystick:
Today, jog dial and joystick controlled high mount LCD displays are NO longer critical thanks to new head up displays HUD's:
peter thanks for the pics there great, i really can't understand the mouse and the nav lexus is putting in the cars
can someone explain really besides dropping the 8 ball whats the excuse for it.
also i have been reading up on the new 4 and 6 cyl turbo motors in the upcoming 5 and they are giving an addl 10% better gas mileage than the outgoing 4 and 6.. they were already best in class. for lexus to come out with the 4 with lag and not a lot of power on the top end they peak around 5500 rpm its seems there losing there engineering prowess.. no have to say one of my fav motors is in the gs f and rc f took it out on the track at the lexus event and taking gas mileage out of the equation simply awesome
the new ls is rumored to get a new 3.3 liter twin turbo if it has the turbo lag in the 2.0 turbo lexus is in for problems.
the only motor in the works in the class of car is mercedes is coming out with a new inline 6 turbo that is suppose to be awesome
but all the lexus fans chime in on how they are trying to compete with the v6 in my rx i only get 19mpg combined... times have to change
Year 2000 Ericsson T28 with old simple linear 1-d strip LCD display scrolling left to right.
Notice how the old cell phone below has NO up/down arrow buttons?
Imagine if your desktop PC or iPhone only had a linear strip 1-dimensional display?
You'd be there all day flipping from one screen to the next, like the up/down scrolling in the BMW below.
The purpose of 2-dimensional displays is to display more, and provide more direct access to functions like this Google Android tablet display below, without having to flip from screen to screen.
However, for motor vehicles, it seems to me that 2-dimensional displays require very complex left/right and up/down co-ordination, which is a big disctraction while primarily driving a motor vehicle, hence I do find my 4GS more difficult to use than my 3GS's direct plastic resitive touch screen.
Furthermore, Lexus' 2-dimensional software displays are deliberately "simplified" 2-D with very few icons, such that we still have to flip from screen to screen anyway, and this defeats the purpose of having a more complex four-way joystick with 2-d display in the first place!
Eg on the audio screen, I still have to enter another screen called the sound submenu screen to adjust the bass, midrange, treble, balance, and fader.
The forthcoming 2017 LC now certainly has BMW's touch dial, but I haven't seen if the high mount LCD software display has actually reverted to simple linear strip 1-dimensional display.
We can't be too greedy.
We can't have it all.
The Japs are generally great at refining German innovations.
So Jap V6 turbos will come, it just takes time, but it will be far more reliable than the German turbos...
your funny your going to get a lecture about using the three letter word.
i agree with you but they have been sleeping too long, this gas price elevation started in 2012 there 4 years behind.
i enjoy the linear torque of the v6 and the smoothness, but times have changed.
12-25-16, 07:23 PM
