Test drove the 2016 IS200t before the GS.. probably worse than the IS250.. I couldn't believe one of the latest engine was that bad. The lag was unbelievable. The salesman forced me to put the car in sports mode and floor it. It was going nowhere. I think the engine has an overrated power figure.

Night and day difference between the Lexus 2.0T and BMW 2.0T. The BMW engine is very impressive/responsive. Test drove a 228 and a 328. The engine is grossly underrated.

I can't imagine the GS with 2.0t.. it would make sense overseas to save on taxes. Until they tune it for more low/mid end torque, it'll be selling at $15k discount soon .. check out G25 from infiniti few years back.

 

0-60 in 5 mins.

 

I've not full throttled any of the 2.0 turbos; I only drive normally at part throttle openings.

However, it seems that the Benz & Lexus 2.0 turbos were designed for day to day part throttling, while the Beamer 2.0 turbo was designed for full throttling.

I will test their respective performance at full throttle next time I get a chance; just that I rarely full throttle these days.

 

i hate the trend of 4 cylinder turbos in entry level luxury or luxury cars.

 

The bimmer doesn't need to be full throttled. In fact, it's midrange felt stronger than the is200t's full throttle

 

someone who is a realist chimes in with a real understanding of automobiles
joe kudos to you

 

and yes am i ******** pickles about going out of warranty at 100k Yes,
but for now the new bmw b58 inline six in the 340 and 740 are best of class,
the new version of the n20 4 will be 4 years of lexus again in a year with launch in the 5 series.
Drove in aggressive traffic last night with a 4 banger and my car in size and weight is equivalent to a gs; the car pulls like a v8 and i get 28 mpg combined.
brilliant

 

and joe speaking of infiniti the new q50 coming soon with the mercedes 2.0 will be a great combo, again the v6 in the q getting 19mpg days are over, the motor in the c class and other mercedes models with the 2.0 is a close second to the bmw powertrain.

 

The only pro I can see about L turbo 2.0 is the long term reliability. Everything else its either mediocre or worse.

This engine works in a CUV and maybe a hatchback but not in a midsize heavy coupes or sedans. If the price tag was the real $5,000 difference between 3.5 and not some marketing scheme we have right now then I would say yes its a cheaper alternative but this is just insane if you opt for this engine.

Interesting fact is that most of the EU countries don't even get this engine in GS and when I say most I mean like 90% of them.

 

where the car will shine is someone like me doing 100 miles a day highway the car with cruise should get 33mpg or more at 70 mph the days of 280 miles a tank for the gs350 was 2003, its so ridiculous the mpg per tank its a joke.
the gs 200 makes sense for price point as well the entry at 45k will get people in the car looking to leave the brand

 

Just because somebody doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they don't have an understanding of automobiles.

I just would have no interest in buying your car. Sorry. I have plenty of money...thats why I spend this much on cars so gas mileage really doesn't bother me.

I got way more than 280 miles a tank when I had my GS350, especially on the highway.

 

steve relax buddy have a shot of tequila and relax in your shambuko interior
your an angry man dude

 

and being the lexus guru you are, when rhetoric about motor is the opposite characteristics of a particular motor like the nonsense spewed in the post, kudos to joe for actually knowing a motor and commenting.
best motor and powertrain of my life was my ls430, if the car wasn't falling apart in electrical areas and getting 20 mpg combined i would have put 300 k on the clock.
the 2.0 bmw n20 motor and 8 speed is something special, like the sambuca shot of liquor and a pretty blond in the shamubku interior brilliant

 

I'm not angry in the slightest LOL

Like I said before, I'm glad you like it. I have driven the vehicle and I found nothing about that powertrain in that car that was appealing to me. I'd choose the 535 every time.

 

Some of the more positive comments from the Motor Trend article:

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With 241 hp and 258 lb-ft on call, it’s far from the most-powerful engine of its type, but that’s hardly the point. Rather, this little mill returns 22 mpg city and 33 mpg highway in the big GS sedan, considerably better on both counts than the six-cylinder GS 350 and, on the highway, nipping at the heels of the GS 450h hybrid.

Being the base engine offered in the GS, the 200t is also the frugal choice. At $46,555 to start, it’s roughly $5,000 thriftier than the GS 350.

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It’s also important to note that the GS 200t is quite competitive in its class. Take a BMW 528i, for example. Power and fuel economy are nearly the same, but the BMW needs just 6.2 seconds to reach 60 mph from a stop to the Lexus’ manufacturer-estimated 7.0 seconds. The Lexus, though, is about $5,000 cheaper. The numbers, then, are mixed, but it’s not a bad showing at all for the GS 200t.

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Cruising the streets of Palm Springs, I found the little engine perfectly acceptable, offering smooth, creamy acceleration away from stops with good mid-range grunt for overtaking even-slower drivers. The car got up to freeway speeds quickly enough to eliminate any worry of merging below the speed of traffic. Here, again, it offered enough mid-range power to make a typical overtake. The engine is never particularly loud in the cabin and the noise it makes is inoffensive. It was a relaxed and relaxing driving experience, and perfectly pleasant if you’re not in any great hurry to get somewhere.

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This speaks to one of the GS’ best attributes, the chassis. It’s among the best in the class, and certainly better than the aforementioned BMW. Body motions are nicely controlled and bumps are handled with confidence and control. This car doesn’t mind being pushed around a bend at all, and rewards a driver willing to do so. All the while, the ride quality remains luxury-car plush, if slightly stiff by traditional Lexus standards.


Notice how the journalist says "offering smooth, creamy acceleration".
A lot of people don't know much about motor cars.
The Lexus 200t is rather harsh on acceleration.
The Benz 2.0t is the smoothest in this class, but then the Benz also has the least horsepower!
However, even Benz's 2.0 turbo doesn't have the smoothness of a six, let alone a V8.

I have driven both four and six cylinder Beamer turbos a number of times in the past few years, and they all have a peaky torque curve, nee flat spot followed by a boom, as the turbo spools up.
Hence BMW's continuing development of their "electric" turbo to overcome these disadvantages:
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=597327
http://www.motor1.com/news/28531/bmw...c-turbocharger
http://jalopnik.com/5855317/will-bmw...-end-turbo-lag

If BM's part throttle torque curves were truly flat, and the turbo engine is "simply brilliant" like you claim, then BMW would be wasting tens of millions of dollars developing electric turbos.

One should never claim that an engine has a flat torque curve because it delivers maximum torque between 1,500 rpm to 4,200 rpm etc, because that's the maximum torque at "full" throttle openings only, and "not" available at part throttle openings, which we all use from day to day.
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