450h vs 460!
10-21-09, 07:57 AM
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As far as 460 vs 450h, there's only about a $2,500 difference in invoices when similarly configured. And it might be harder to get a deal on the 460 than on the 450h.
10-21-09, 08:31 AM
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Minor correction: configured similarly there is a bit less than $9,000 difference between the invoices for the 2009 350 and 450h. The 2009 450h (if one can find it) can be had at invoice right now. I ordered 2010 450h at $1,000 over invoice; I would bet that majority of 350 buyers would pay a lot more relative to invoice. But I agree with your general comment that it is still a significant price difference.
As far as 460 vs 450h, there's only about a $2,500 difference in invoices when similarly configured. And it might be harder to get a deal on the 460 than on the 450h.
As far as 460 vs 450h, there's only about a $2,500 difference in invoices when similarly configured. And it might be harder to get a deal on the 460 than on the 450h.
10-21-09, 12:47 PM
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gs350 starts with aprox. 35k, 460 - 45k, 450h - 55k. So there is almost a 20k difference b/w a 350 and a 450h. HMM, id rather get an ISF which is almost the same price as a 450h
10-21-09, 01:08 PM
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you can't compare 450h to IS-F that way (price), both are totally different cars, it's like comparing apples to oranges.
10-21-09, 01:38 PM
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10-21-09, 02:05 PM
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there are people who would spend 70k to get a m3, but for the same price a lot more people would prefer to get a larger 5 series. but there is no point to that
and gs350 starts at 35k? i really wish that's the case. similarly equipped gs350 and gs450h are definitely NOT 20k apart
http://www.lexus.com/models/GS/features/pricing.html
10-21-09, 03:37 PM
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Two reasons:
(1) People as a whole are stupid and ignorant. They see "hybrid" label and they assume it's has a Prius-type of uninspired performance. Lexus did very little to advertise this car and what it's really capable of, which I think is a huge mistake. In the three years I've owned the 450h I have met only ONE person who has both heard of this car and was aware of its capabilities.
(2) The car is fairly expensive. Not compared to BMW 550i, but because of point (1) very few 550i shoppers will look at GS 450h. Very few GS 350 shoppers will look at 450h because of the large cost differential. However, a lot of them don't realize that 450h base model includes a lot of features that are optional on the 350.
(1) People as a whole are stupid and ignorant. They see "hybrid" label and they assume it's has a Prius-type of uninspired performance. Lexus did very little to advertise this car and what it's really capable of, which I think is a huge mistake. In the three years I've owned the 450h I have met only ONE person who has both heard of this car and was aware of its capabilities.
(2) The car is fairly expensive. Not compared to BMW 550i, but because of point (1) very few 550i shoppers will look at GS 450h. Very few GS 350 shoppers will look at 450h because of the large cost differential. However, a lot of them don't realize that 450h base model includes a lot of features that are optional on the 350.
This is the truth. I've driven both at the track and they are completely different animals.
10-22-09, 06:41 AM
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Rider, like someone pointed out your numbers are incorrect. The base 350 and 450h also have different set of standard equipment -- 450h has a couple thousand worth of extra stuff in it.